Hoes before bros and embryos.

I was absolutely enamored by this picture from the recent pro-abortion protest in Texas:

I needed to see more, so I googled images from the event.  Notice how this peculiar mouth posture is present in nearly every photo.

She was there in spirit.

It’s kind of startling how many pro-abortion protesters are either morbidly obese or obvious bull dykes.  I guess they just like the theory of abortion.

People unclear on the concept: are those…plastic coat hangers?

Hey, everybody loves a good fetus joke, right?  I think fetus humor is especially appropriate when you are protesting for women’s right to rip those unborn babies to shreds and vacuum them out of the womb.  Stay classy, feminists!

Oh, and here is more feminist classiness on display: two little former fetuses join the cause.  Awww, do you think she drew that coat hanger herself?  Kids grow up so fast these days, not like back in the days of The Patriarchy when these girls would have been outside playing with their dollies and making mudpies – and let’s face it, that innocent childhood play was really just training them to be mindless housewife slaves to The Patriarchy.  Clearly now is better than then, I think we can all agree.  Right? *ahem*

I mean, we wouldn’t want to go back to these bad old days, now would we!

Look how miserable women and children were under The Patriarchy!

H/T to Farmboy for pointing out this photo.

Every child a wanted child…but what about the unwanted ones?  As the feminist mascot the Queen of Hearts would say, “Off with their heads!”

Come and take what?  This was a common phrase on signs and T-shirts among the pro-abortion crowd at the protest and perfectly sums up why I generally despise trying to have a debate with women, especially feminists.  The message of this sign is that someone is trying to force hysterectomies on women.  In reality, no one is doing this; they are simply trying to outlaw abortion.  Personally, I think abortion is pre-birth infanticide, but even if you disagree, even if you have no moral qualms about abortion, can you see how this meme creates a strawman argument?  Although women can’t even be trusted to construct logical arguments, the following picture represents another pro-abortion meme:

Hey, guess who really trusts women?  The babies in their wombs, that’s who!  How’s that been working out?  Since Roe versus Wade, there have been 56,383,605 abortions performed in the United States.  And here’s a neat little thing: the U.S. Abortion Clock, updated in real time!

Greedy white guys?  Oh, you mean the ones who work to pay taxes to support your illegitimate children because you are a lazy slut!  They actually care about other people enough to insist that women not be able to murder their own children and then they pay the taxes so that single baby mamas can have food for their kids.  Yeah, those guys.

Exactly.  Because when you really boil feminism down to its rebellious essence, it is a movement to free women from all expectations that they have any obligation to men and children.  You will notice that the reverse is not true: men and children in the feminist world exist to serve women.  Men are still expected to provide the resources and protection (but instead of directly, they are supposed to do it indirectly by routing their tax money through the government to women in the form of student loans, welfare, or one of the other myriad government programs that serve women’s interests), while children exist to provide ego gratification.

Or, for the more mathematically-minded:

feminism = (women + cats) - (bros + embryos)

[Note to the  grammarians: it's hard to decide on the plural of ho.  Is it hoes or hos?  Merriam-Webster says either hoes or hos is okay, so I guess I'll go with hoes and trust that context makes it obvious that I'm not talking about gardening.]

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220 thoughts on “Hoes before bros and embryos.

  1. chokingonredpills

    I spent five minutes examining each photo. It isn’t just their mouth posture, but… even as an Asian male, I don’t find any of the women in the photos attractive.

    By the way, what do the plastic coat hangers symbolise?

    [ssm: There is this feminist meme that before Roe v Wade, women en masse were untwisting metal coat hangers and jabbing them up their woo-woos in order to self-induce abortion. It is mostly a myth. In reality, there is little evidence that this ever really happened before it became a feminist meme, although there is evidence that some women have done so in the years after the coat hanger became a symbol for abortion. Thanks, feminists! Always making the world a better place...]

  2. Farm Boy

    Because when you really boil feminism down to its rebellious essence, it is a movement to free women from all expectations that they have any obligation to men and children

    Well, since women are better at doing all sorts of things compared to men (see the last thread), then it makes sense that they should have freedom to display their awesomeness.

  3. ar10308

    And this is why the 19th Amendment should be repealed. These women aren’t even willing to perform their most basic biological responsibility.

  4. Deep Strength

    I wonder how much hate you’ll get from GOMI and other places on this one.

    I’d like to add one other factor to your equation as you pointed out in this post:

    feminism = (women + cats + gluttony) – (bros + embryos)

    ssm: feminism = (women + cats + ho-hos) – (bros + embryos)

  5. Farm Boy

    By the way, what do the plastic coat hangers symbolise?

    They symbolize women’s thinking as to how break into a car or a womb.

    Of course, plastic does not work so well for those applications.

  6. Farm Boy

    I wonder if I would rather been aborted than have one of those things as a mother. ..

  7. Bob Wallace

    “By the way, what do the plastic coat hangers symbolise?”

    In the past, before abortion was legal, women supposedly used coathangers to perform abortions on themselves,

  8. Looking Glass

    I’m guessing they couldn’t take in metal coat hangers. Metal coat hangers is what they’re going for. It’s a symbol for “free” abortions, showing how much they think it takes to have one. (I’d guess it probably stems from some case where a Woman “couldn’t get” an abortion and tried one with a coat hanger, and likely died as a result) It’s in a morbid joke in a lot of contexts, which makes it being used as a symbol strange.

    Also, being honest, if my option was castration or one of those Women? The former option looks like the better choice.

  9. FuzzieWuzzie

    The “Come and Take It” legend on the flag goes back to Texas’ War of Independence.
    When confronted with Santa Ana’s army, Colonel Fannin surrendered. Afterwards, the Mexicans attempted to execute the whole garrison. More:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_take_it

    Feminists co-opting this slogan for their purpose is disgraceful.

  10. Feminist Hater

    Here’ one white guy that truly lost the ability to care about these monstrosities. They are not human, they are pigs, serving their Gods, both Mammon and Moloch! I do hope they enjoy their pathetic rantings. I will say a prayer for their murdered children and the many more murdered children to come, my God have mercy on their souls, for they do not deserve this.

  11. Guest

    “Stay classy, feminists!”

    Honestly, I wouldn’t call this post classy. Making fun of a person’s weight? Not exactly Christlike.

    Pot, kettle

  12. FuzzieWuzzie

    Feminist hater,
    I have to take issue with you. In comparing these harpies to pigs, you’ve insulted pigs.
    Unlike dogs, whose tails only wag back and forth, pigs can make their tails go in complete circles when they’re happy to see you. It’s fun to watch.
    Overall, pigs are more pleasant and easier to get along with.

  13. Feminist Hater

    Oh, my favourite bear, I’m really sorry to have insulted pigs so hastily, I should have chosen my words better. I shall flog myself for penance of such an insult! Harpies it is then.

  14. Artisanal Toad

    @LG
    Also, being honest, if my option was castration or one of those Women? The former option looks like the better choice.

    They certainly make an effective argument for celibacy no matter how you slice it.

  15. FuzzieWuzzie

    Another thought: a lot of the women in the photos are obvoiusly past menopause. They have as much direct stake in this issue as I have.

  16. Feminist Hater

    They’re just fighting for the daughters they never had or the daughters they murdered. I mean, after all, how dare their unborn daughters not get the choice to abort themselves???!!!

  17. FuzzieWuzzie

    Feminist Hater,
    Don’t flog yourself! Bring veggie treats to a petting zoo.
    Now, that’s a happy thought!

  18. Artisanal Toad

    @Fuzzie
    I must respectfully disagree. I think some of those post-menopausal women have daughters like the ones in photo #7. They support abortion because if that baby make it out alive… it’s grandma that’s stuck supporting slut daughter and raising said baby.

  19. Frank

    So, um, Happy Independence Day? Um…

    I’m just gonna pretend I didn’t just read all that and imagine that I still live in a country that understands the concepts of life, liberty and the pursuit of muscle cars.

  20. tbc

    @Guest – interesting too that nothing in the OP mentions the weight of the women; only their general demeanor and a quite accurate linkage to the issues of feminism. So it seems that you rather are concerned about weight, having seen in the OP what the blogmistress did not.

    By the way. I’m back.

    [ssm: Welcome back! I'd wondered where you were.]

  21. Maeve

    I think one really needs to pray for them. Also, it would really help if men would not touch a pro-choice woman with a 10-foot poll. Might just make the whole point moot. Seriously. Don’t even give their ova a chance to be fertilized. Maybe they’ll just go extinct.

  22. Feminist Hater

    Ya, land of the free… dom to abort, and home of the not so brave killers of children…

    It’s all good though, you now have a black as president and Attorney General! Wow! Soon, you’ll have your first deformed, female, half caste, both dot and feather, indian, alcoholic, gambling casino owning, first ‘real’ native American/indian as el presidente, if they can make it out the womb alive that is…

  23. Chris

    @ Guest. There is some moral difference between gluttony and killing the unborh.
    Speaking as one of the “Large Economy” tribe, one has to watch what you put in your mouth. And hit the gym. The best I can do is resemble a Mountain Gorilla. I do not want to he the size of a whale.
    And by watching what you put in your mouth I mean that you need to close it.
    Oh, and I do. not. care. about. your. feelings. I am (praise God) not a folllower of the cult of self esteem, nor a leftist, nor a progressive, nor an American. Where I live we would tell those chickwhales to harden up.

  24. nightskyradio

    SSM – I needed to see more, so I googled images from the event. Notice how this peculiar mouth posture is present in nearly every photo.

    If you watch liberal/progressive/feminist/whatever speakers for a bit, you’ll notice they tend to use similar oratory styles, hand gestures, pauses and repetitions in speech, etc. They make the audience feel like they’re Smart People engaging in The Truth, but really they’re being talked down to like a class of first graders.

    And of course, the crowds all react the same way, with that gape-jawed cheering and Arsenio-style fist pumping.

    I guess I’ll go with hoes and trust that context makes it obvious that I’m not talking about gardening

  25. Miserman

    There seems to be little consistency in women advocating for the right to have an abortion while having children. If having an abortion is of prime importance, then it rationally makes sense that not having kids is also of prime importance. Having a family and advocating for abortion contradict each other. And seeing children holding up signs advocating for abortion is darkly ironic because their mother had the choice to abort them, meaning their lives are only as valuable as the mother’s emotional whim not to abort them. Somehow, that makes women actually have children super heroes.

    “I could have killed my children. I have the right. But I loved them so much I decided not to.”

    Yeah, thanks, mom. You’re all heart.

  26. Deep Strength

    @ Guest

    Honestly, I wouldn’t call this post classy. Making fun of a person’s weight? Not exactly Christlike.

    Pot, kettle

    SSM said:

    “It’s kind of startling how many pro-abortion protesters are either morbidly obese or obvious bull dykes.”

    How is pointing out a fact making fun of someone?

    You can call an asian person an asian person, you can call a white person a white person. But nowadays you can’t call — a black person a black person, a morbidly obese person a morbidly obese person, etc

    Despite the fact that MORBIDLY OBESE IS A MEDICAL TERM for people over a certain BMI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_obesity#BMI

    Also, Christ called people out on their sins all the time, but he also called them to repent.

    Please, bring better arguments if you want to be taken seriously.

  27. FuzzieWuzzie

    Artisanal Toad,
    I yield. I hadn’t considered those consequences. While they’re indirect, they are most definitely significant.

    Having seen that comment by “Guest”, it won’t be long before the GOMIs visit en masse.
    Batten down the hatches!

  28. Ton

    Thanks child murderers for making my point women lack moral agency and should be property of men.

    God got pretty angry with Israel for killing babies, and you can make a logical assumption the jews didn’t kill nearly as many as america has. Hope I’m dead or overseas when the bill comes due.

    Looking at those photos, women shouldn’t be trusted to monitor their own food in take either.

    Petting zoos make me hungry all that delicious bbq on the hoof.

  29. tbc

    on the merits — abortion and feminism / fem-centric religious cults have ALWAYS gone together alongside sodomy & other forms of sexual immorality. The Canaanite religions fought against by ancient Israel were replete with child-sacrifice, to female goddesses in order to enhance the prosperity of the land. in other words – child-killing was a good way to make sure there would be economic progress. Ancient Greece was full of the same perversions.

    What we are witness to is the rapid unraveling of 2000 years of Christian witness in the West and a consequent re-paganization of society. Ironically, the descendants of the same Europeans whom adjudged heathen Africans for their backwardness and who wondered if they would ever be Christianized are now criticizing those same African Christians for being backwards in not accepting the abominations of sodomy and abortion on demand.

    ssm: Interesting point! Homosexuality is basically illegal in countries like Nigeria, I believe. Although we shouldn’t forget some progress has been made recently: Russia recently passed a law making it illegal to promote homosexuality. It seems like Orthodox countries are really serious about it:

    There was a protest against celebrating homosexuality in the country of Georgia recently, too.

    Gay pride rally in Georgia derailed

  30. happyhen11

    “Despite the fact that MORBIDLY OBESE IS A MEDICAL TERM for people over a certain BMI. ”

    And morbid obesity is associated with PCOS, a leading cause of infertility. Also gestational diabetes, pre-eclampsia, hypertension, all of which increase the likelihood of miscarriage/pre-term labor/stillbirth and make pregnancy more difficult and dangerous for both mother and child.

    Obesity is far greater risk to “women’s health” than NOT having abortion on demand. Having children is natural and relays many excellent benefits to women. Being 5’2″ and 300 lbs does not.

  31. BDM

    In theory, I’m against abortion. In practice, I usually don’t want those for it reproducing.

  32. sunshinemary Post author

    You know what I just realized? In that photo that Farm Boy linked to which I added to the OP, the two little girls in orange have signs that say, “Every child a wanted child” but look at what the sign of the little girl in yellow says:

    If I wanted the government in my womb, I would f*** a senator!

    Dear Jesus,
    Please come back now. We are ready. Thank you.
    Your friend,
    Sunshine Mary

  33. Chris

    What we are witness to is the rapid unraveling of 2000 years of Christian witness in the West and a consequent re-paganization of society. Ironically, the descendants of the same Europeans whom adjudged heathen Africans for their backwardness and who wondered if they would ever be Christianized are now criticizing those same African Christians for being backwards in not accepting the abominations of sodomy and abortion on demand.

    Well, the church dropped the ball and fell into either new age paganism or name it and claim it proserptiy gospel witchcraft. And did not call people on their bad habits.

    The church needs to teach the law, proclaim by action and words the ways of righteousness, and become offensive.

    The church needs to have its young men in boot camp (guns optional) learning how to feed a family, butild a house, survive when times are hard, keep fit, and deal with girls. And it heeds to have young women in bottie camp leadning how to run a house, budget, be fit, manage kids, and handle men.

    And we should teach our young men and women to shun the skinny hipster pagan wimps and the pagan landwhales. If they want to enter our assemblies they do it on our terms. (In NZ & Canada this is harder as there is no 1st Amendment, but we obey the way of god, nto the laws of man).

    When even the Satanists are disgusted with them, you should have shoved them out the door long, long ago.

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  35. sunshinemary Post author

    BDM brings up a very sticky wicket.

    If we outlaw abortion…guess who we get more of.

    Come on, people, no matter how Christian you are, admit it. You’ve thought the same thing.

    How do we resolve our commitment to life with our desire not to subject children to living with unfit mothers?

    In my view, we must remain committed to our pro-life position because all humans are created in God’s image. However, we should also remember that our pro-life stance must exist in the context of the elimination of welfare, the social shaming of sluts, baby mamas and cads, a return to the practice of pressuring unwed mothers to put their babies up for adoption, and other reforms that will reward healthy family formation.

    So, all the Christian women at Christianity Today who are essentially “pro-life” feminists are not our allies.

  36. happyhen11

    “but look at what the sign of the little girl in yellow says:”

    Yes, heartbreaking. I can not imagine. She should be home, playing, being a little girl. Childhood is so precious and short. These females not only murder their unborn but abuse those born to them with this behavior. Does that little girl even have a chance at a contented, fulfilled life? Abortion will not give her that. She will simply be more grist for the abortion mill. Lord have mercy.

    [ssm: Yes.]

  37. Randy Miller

    “but look at what the sign of the little girl in yellow says:”
    Charming, isn’t it? I wonder if that will go in her scrap book? Hope so, it will practically ensure an ivy league admission if she works it into an essay.
    But the ‘every child a wanted child’ sign is truly depressing if you think about what they are using that argument to support.
    By God, if you made that argument in favor of putting down unwanted puppies you’d be publicly castigated to no end.

    [ssm: Well-said.]

  38. alcestiseshtemoa

    What we are witness to is the rapid unraveling of 2000 years of Christian witness in the West and a consequent re-paganization of society.

    While that’s bad, it also depends if it’s genuine Paganism, or a rehashed New Age paganism influenced by enlightened modernity with secular liberalism.

    When I’ve gone to Europe and all of the European countries (e.g. Portugal, France, Germany and others), I didn’t really see a huge outpouring of support for abortion and infanticide despite their low birth rates in an average and general sense (statistics can sometimes be misinterpreted I think).

    Britain is a different country, but it’s generally part of the Anglo sphere and it is the Anglo ground zero. I think in the end they (the West) are all infected with a virus (think Japanese video game Resident Evil) and their civilization is dying both from within and from without (interior and exterior threats and wounds), but often the type and level of disease tends to vary.

  39. Ton

    Yea Matt, I’ve wondered that. Don’t have an answer for you, but it’s a legit question.

    If God shows up in a burning bush or something and tells me “get to work boy”…. well I really only have one job skill and I’d not hesitate or lose sleep over it. Every time I drive past one of those baby murdering mills, my mind gets to planing an OP order. however, my gut tells me not to be here in a generation or so. It’s going to sound silly, but I’ve always “known” when a mission is about to go bad and how to pull our asses out of the shit. The one time I ignored it, I spent an extra 7 years in a hellsih marriage.

    Now there is no telling what each man should do. That’s between him and Sky 6.

  40. alcestiseshtemoa

    Honestly, I wouldn’t call this post classy. Making fun of a person’s weight? Not exactly Christlike.

    Pot, kettle

    Great. Another one questioning whether we are True Christians TM. Or accusing one of us of being unchristian. In your opinion, is letting a person suffer through life and die of gluttony Christian? Just rounding up and returning the favor. Honestly, I don’t whether you are trolling or whether you are something else…

  41. Ton

    You know the notion childhood is short and sweet and should be savored is a modern ideal. I prefer the older tradition of speeding children into useful and powerful adulthood.

    Which is not to say you expose kids to the moral sewer when their 8, but hells bells, I’d bet my bottom dollar an 8 year from 1850 was a more useful adult then 90% of the people in college today. Probably expand the modern age bracket a good bit too.

    From what I’ve read, I’d prefer associating with Pagan Europeans from a 1000 years ago over modern “Christian” “men”

  42. U-104

    “but look at what the sign of the little girl in yellow says:”
    Whoever made that sign for her either thinks senate seats are passed down like a monarchy, or the penis actually goes ALL THE WAY INTO THE WOMB! my gosh those people are stupid.

  43. alcestiseshtemoa

    There seems to be little consistency in women advocating for the right to have an abortion while having children.

    Salient point. The first time I saw these strange cat-like feminist American women, in the back of the mind, I had this weird, albeit small, thought. I thought it just didn’t make sense. Why advocate for abortion if you have babies and children yourself?

    Then I came to the conclusion that it’s a female trait. Women on average and in general want the whole package in a contradictory manner and one which isn’t cohesive. In other words, they wanted toasted ice. This could apply to the way women pick and choose men when it comes to prostitution, marriage, children and onwards.

    The woman with the card with “If I wanted the Government in my womb, I would fuck a Senator” is obviously projecting. She would really, truly fuck the Senator if she had the opportunity to do so.

  44. alcestiseshtemoa

    Which is why the woman with that card who in one minute says “If I wanted the Government in my womb, I would fuck a Senator”, 30 minutes later will say “But, I want the Government in the my womb to pay for my birth control and my abortions.”

    [ssm: LOL, good point.]

  45. FuzzieWuzzie

    SSM,
    There are a lot of infertile couples out there that would love to be able to adopt.

    That sign carried by what looks like a nine year old girl is doubly obscene. First, for that statement and second, that it’s carried by someone innocent.
    What is her mother thinking?

    About you’re wanting Christ’s return, maybe it might be enough if His mom came back.
    She could, and would, tell all these shrews where to go in a heartbeat.

  46. alcestiseshtemoa

    The women there, in the pictures, have at least one of the following (if not in combination):

    - Lesbian bull-dykes
    - Low SMV and MMV women, e.g. ugly, unpleasant obese women with a chip on their shoulders
    - Average women who didn’t get commitment, investment, marriage and/or children from their high-status, perfect human version of male pagan gods
    - Old feminists (think Baby Boomer feminist grandmas)
    - Anything else?

  47. Chris

    FuzzBear.

    Yeah. But the left hate adoption. They hate the idea that women, even quite young women, can think of the child they are carrying, and not themselves.

  48. Feminist Hater

    The idea of a childhood is to give the child more and more responsibility as they grow up, but not so much that they’re overwhelmed, so that when they mature they don’t really have issues working for themselves or making a living working for someone else. It really is about building their skills and self-worth by increasing what they are responsible for slowly but surely. By the time most humans are 16, they should be able to carve out an existence for themselves. If the government doesn’t interfere that is…

  49. Martel

    The part that caught my attention at the original link was less the photo but more the video in which the sweethearts are chanting “Hail Satan!” during “Amazing Grace”. That shows who’s on what side more than anything.

    And sadly, the girl at the end of this video actually could be attractive (on the outside, NOT the inside): http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=49924

    But ironically, they’re not winning any friends. Here’s the response of the UK Church of Satan:

    http://americanglob.com/2013/07/03/hilarious-real-satanists-want-nothing-to-do-with-abortion-supporters/

  50. an observer

    Why advocate for abortion if you have babies and children yourself?

    Control, lifestyle, you name it. More children threaten womens choices. More children requires more wealth transfers. More children may even means having to – gasp – get, or stay married. Oh, the inhumanity….

    Feminism has cultivated the meme that only the self is worth serving. Children are a drain, a sinkhole of creativity, raising them a chore to be outsourced. Since schooling k12 wasnt enough, the wymminzfolk were forced back to work with babies and toddlers now languishing in detention, oops, early learning institutions. Thanks to fiat funny money and empowerment, now women can have pointless jobs, ooops, careers too!

    Hence feminists that breed will have small families. `Too many` children they paint as gauche, insensitive or unsustainable. Often, having an only child becomes just another merit badge for the ego.

  51. happyhen11

    Oh no doubt Ton, most 8 yo farm boys and girls in 1850 were far more proficient at survival than the average modern adult. The system of teaching boys and girls useful life skills and the honest facts one learns on the farm concerning how we must not only bring animals into the world but also take them out of it in order to live is something most people today are so detached from that many have never even seen a beef on the hoof. Children were forced to face realities by reality but adults did not actively seek to subvert natural childhood via an unnatural and untimely maturation of sexual senses. THAT is what we see now.

  52. Farm Boy

    They are not human, they are pigs, serving their Gods

    Actually Satan. They were chanting “Hail Satan”. I will give them kudos for honesty

  53. happyhen11

    “Actually Satan. They were chanting “Hail Satan”. I will give them kudos for honesty”

    Someone posted a statement from the Satanists, and even they disavowed these protesters.

  54. Farm Boy

    Honestly, I wouldn’t call this post classy.

    I am not sure that was the intention. Often one must see the world as it really is if one is to perform their religious and civic duty.

  55. alcestiseshtemoa

    Someone posted a statement from the Satanists, and even they disavowed these protesters.

    Right. I think the UK Church of Satan was the one who tweeted that they disagreed with them. Odd gesture, but the link left here is interesting.

  56. Farm Boy

    They have as much direct stake in this issue as I have.

    Of course you have no stake in human abortions; but what about bear abortions? Do female bears parade around with large sticks, chanting “Do not force us to use these on ourselves”?

  57. Farm Boy

    If I wanted the government in my womb, I would f*** a senator!

    I assume they mean female senators also. Equal opportunity and all.

  58. theshadowedknight

    The military has a saying. “What you do is between you and God. We are here to ensure that meeting.” So if Jesus will not come to the abortionists… Not that *I* would ever promote violence. No, not me. Not at all. Except maybe a little.

    SSM, regarding the births of the bastard children that would otherwise be aborted, we must harden our hearts. Some will die, absolutely. Those will be a stark reminder of the cost of fornication and harlotry. The rest will come back eventually, but in the meantime, some innocents are going to face the consequences of the behavior of their parents. It is hard to accept, but it has to be done. May God forgive us for what we have seen and done.

    The Shadowed Knight

  59. Martel

    The negative response from the Satanists could be for various reasons.

    Frankly, pro-life, pro-choice, whatever, the “hail satan” chants were horribly low class. The official Satanists probably didn’t like how the protesters didn’t actually “mean” that they support Satan, they were just being obnoxious. It’s really bad PR.

    Then again, maybe the dude downstairs just doesn’t want his useful idiots to give away the game by declaring who’s side he’s on too early.

  60. Farm Boy

    Pot, kettle

    That is typically used as a licence to justify anything one says or does.

    It does not work here.

  61. sunshinemary Post author

    You know, when you’ve lost the Satanists…you just know your movement is in trouble.


    Inside the mind of Texas Democrat state senator Wendy Davis:
    “Damn, I was really counting on the Satan vote this election.”

    LOL

  62. alcestiseshtemoa

    The negative response from the Satanists could be for various reasons.

    Frankly, pro-life, pro-choice, whatever, the “hail satan” chants were horribly low class. The official Satanists probably didn’t like how the protesters didn’t actually “mean” that they support Satan, they were just being obnoxious. It’s really bad PR.

    Then again, maybe the dude downstairs just doesn’t want his useful idiots to give away the game by declaring who’s side he’s on too early.

    Reminds me of leftists and liberals who criticize Barack Hussein Obama.

  63. FuzzieWuzzie

    Farm Boy,
    You just opened the door on a topic that I have been musing on for a while.
    Of course girl bears don’t have abortions! That would be DIRECTLY contrary to their biological imperative. They want cute little cubs. That would fulfil their imperaqtive and put them in concert with nature. To do otherwise would be deviant.

    About sexuality in males, both human and animal, it seems to be overt and in keeping with nature. Nothing to be embarrassed aboput there. Nothing hidden.
    Human female sexuality appears to be very different from what you see in animals. Among animals, nothing mysterious is going on. Hmmmmm……..

  64. Farm Boy

    There is some moral difference between gluttony and killing the unborn

    For liberals, gluttony is far worse, just ask Michelle Obama.

  65. alcestiseshtemoa

    For liberals, gluttony is far worse, just ask Michelle Obama.

    I would disagree. African-American women (most of them are liberal) are on average and as a whole quite fat and obese, save high-status types like lawyer Michelle Obama and now wife of a powerful and influential politician (Barack Hussein Obama) or the singer Kelly Rowland (who is an anomaly for her demographic).

  66. Andy

    I’m not a Christian and can say with some confidence that the fat hog parade of she pig beast filth in the photos above turns my stomach.

    Only a desperate man could fuck one of those swamp donkeys.

  67. sunshinemary Post author

    If I wanted the government in my womb, I would f*** a senator!

    Farm Boy: I assume they mean female senators also. Equal opportunity and all.

    Ha, Farm Boy, that reminds me of a hilarious song, “I Spent My Last Bucks on Birth Control and Beer”. Here’s the money quote:

    For there are certain thrills that lesbian love simply cannot supply,
    Like paying for abortions from sperm gone awry…

  68. Martel

    @ FarmBoy/Fuzzie: One thing that separates man from the rest of the animal kingdom is our unique propensity to be less than what we’re created to be. An animal can’t be “sub-dog”, “sub-snail”, or “sub-shark”, but a man can be sub-human.

    Biologically, we’re designed to procreated, and one of God’s first commands to us in the Noahide Code is to be fruitful and multiply.

    Women’s instincts, from alpha fux/beta bux, to solipsism, to her bonding instincts are geared towards making her offspring thrive. She’s less objective than males largely because she’s created to care for her child even if the little brat is objectively no better than any other kid. Her solipsism stems largely from the knowledge that if she herself isn’t *special* her kids will likely have fewer resources and will suffer as a result.

    Abortion turns this completely on its head. Her innate selfishness is created to naturally benefit her children, but abortion turns what should benefit the child into the instrument of its murder. Her definition of herself is supposed to be intrinsically tied to those who come out of her, with abortion that very instinct becomes a greediness that rivals that of any corporate baron.

    It makes a woman into a sub-woman.

    Even when I was pro-choice, it bugged me that so many women seemed to care about abortion more than ANYTHING else. Even if it’s a right, why does it have to be THE right they care about over all others. But now it makes sense. It’s a license for narcissism in every unhealthy sense of the word. Pro-choice=I don’t have to be what I am.

    Now that I’ve matured, abortion strikes me as uniquely Satanic, anti-nature, and anti-God.

  69. FuzzieWuzzie

    SSM,
    Human female sexuality is completely baffling.
    As this bear sits here scratching his head.

  70. sunshinemary Post author

    @ Chris

    Yeah. But the left hate adoption. They hate the idea that women, even quite young women, can think of the child they are carrying, and not themselves.

    You are so right. I just read an article on Feministing recently that shows the same thing. From The freedom not to choose birth control, written by Gloria Malone, a “young parent advocate”:

    I was 15 years old when I had my daughter. A week after having her I went to my post birth appointment and was told by the doctor that she had already scheduled an insertion appointment for a five year hormonal Mirena IUD all I had to do was say yes and this “super convenient, hassle free, and no pill” form of birth control would be mine. My teenage self agreed and a few days later I had my IUD….

    She goes on to explain how unjust it was that doctors “pressured” her into using birth control. Now personally, I oppose the use of artificial birth control. However, I just as much oppose women being sluts and having sex with men they aren’t married to. It’s bad for women and it’s bad for their children.

    She concludes:

    Choice and access to women’s health services are just as important as respecting the decisions women and women alone make about their reproductive health choices. Not wanting or refusing birth control is no different. It’s my personal choice and not one I should be interrogated over.

    While we advocate for access and choice let us not forget that refusing birth control is a decision that should be respected just as much as the decision to start birth control, terminate a pregnancy, or anything else a women chooses to do with her body.

    …Choice is multifaceted. Let’s all remember that respecting one’s decision to choose not to use birth control is part of the fight.

    Nary a peep about the well-being of children. Not a word about how children have the right to be brought into an intact family consisting of a married mother and father.

    You know, I don’t believe I have ever heard a feminist address the mountains of research showing how incredibly detrimental it is to a child to be raised by a single mother. I don’t mean to offend anyone here who was raised by a single mother, but research is absolutely incontrovertible at this point; on average, the children of single mothers do significantly worse on every single measure of achievement and well-being that has ever been studied.

    And it isn’t just because single mothers are poor, although children living with single mothers are at a greatly increased risk of poverty, with all the terrible effects that has. Even when controlling for poverty, children of single mothers are more like to smoke, drink, use illegal drugs, and have health problems.

    Why is this never addressed by feminists? They’re utterly silent on this issue.

    They are pro-abortion. They are pro-single motherhood. Feminists hate children.

  71. empathologism

    I drove through Austin about 2 yesterday afternoon. I passed a car with the clever sticker …..There is no room for government in a vagina…….so clever, so inspiring that, since it was a small, of course, Subaru, I toyed with smashing it with my Explorer, then I noted the poor dear was texting while driving in traffic at 80 mph and figures it would rectify itself.

    I see the notion was covered earlier about govt inside something. Austin is not TX. It should be beamed to California. Even Sam Beam can go, I can download his music from anywhere

  72. earl

    “Honestly, I wouldn’t call this post classy. Making fun of a person’s weight? Not exactly Christlike.”

    If God didn’t want us to eat everything in site he would have made gluttony a sin.

  73. alcestiseshtemoa

    They are pro-abortion. They are pro-single motherhood. Feminists hate children.

    “But, but, but it’s for the chillldreeennn!!!”

    *Sarcasm*

  74. Farm Boy

    There is no room for government in a vagina

    The government is big, and some v’s are “well used”. Draw your own conclusions.

  75. alcestiseshtemoa

    The government is big, and some v’s are “well used”. Draw your own conclusions.

    Gold comment right there.

  76. Farm Boy

    Human female sexuality is completely baffling.

    As this bear sits here scratching his head.

    Well, you bears are one up on us humans. Mama bears teach their cubs how to survive in the world. Mama humans, not so much.

  77. earl

    As Christopher Titus once brought up.

    Isn’t murdering someone who is 20 years old…just a really, really late term abortion?

  78. FuzzieWuzzie

    Farm Boy, Martel, and SSM,
    More head scratching. It’s a wonder that I have any hair left.

    On a more positive note, If this rally had occurred thirty years ago, the participants would have been a lot better looking and they would have accompanied by their boyfriends and husbands.
    Maybe feminists have gotten more shrill because they have lost so much potential support, i.e. mainstream women and pretty much all men.

  79. Farm Boy

    lost so much potential support, i.e. mainstream women and pretty much all men.

    In days past, guy would hang around marches hoping to get some action. It is painful to visualize that happening in this case.

    ssm: HHG says there aren’t beer goggles thick enough…

  80. Artisanal Toad

    @SSM
    That song… I’m confused. Was she bragging or complaining?

    ssm: They’re a dyke band. They were making fun of straight women’s sex lives.

  81. van Rooinek

    The negative response from the Satanists could be for various reasons

    I suspect that Satanists oppose abortion because an unborn baby, although tainted with the sin nature of Adam, cannot possibly have yet committed any sin of his/her own — and thus, cannot go to Hell. True Satanists would want the child to be born, to live to the age of accountability, and then sin and die in sin….

  82. van Rooinek

    There is no room for government in a vagina

    But I thought liberals WORSHIPPED big government? Hmm…. now I know why..,

  83. Ton

    There are a lot of WHITE couples who want to adopt WHITE babies. Not a true statement for the group’s that get the majority of abortions. And most of the people I know who adopted kids don’t recommend it to others

    Which doesn’t justify abortion, but lest deal in realities no matter how ugly.

    If you read enough 1st hand accounts, usa history is full of stories about 8 year old boys helping their pa kill injuns, and young teens keeping hard scrable farms going. Even the upper class hurried kids through childhood but the average age of marriage was higher then most folks reckon, (22?)

    Male bears kill cubs not of their seed to force lady bears into heat. Fuzzie May seem harmless but I’ve hunted enough bears to know better…

    Feminists do address how poorly kids from single moms turn out but use the info to push for more welfare blaming the results on proverty. The left is the left with the same basic goals, all supporting each other by supporting the over all mission. Like a combined arms military. Each branch of maxism specializes in what moves them, feminist in feminism, tree huggers in environmentalism, the diversity crowd on making us multi cultural and weakening the bonds or kin and race etc etc.

    When you think of it as a combined arms military campaign, you see how the puzzle goes together and how the gop/ “conservatives” fall in line with the progressive agenda

  84. Tricket

    Those images make me sad. So very sad.

    I can’t help but wonder what kind of excuses the parents of those kids in the pictures would make up if someone came along and informed those kids that the signs they’re holding are pretty much mommy’s way of saying “I want to be able to kill off you/your brothers/your sisters”.

    I don’t advocate traumatizing kids so young, but I’m sure it’d be an interesting mess to witness.

  85. Artisanal Toad

    @Ton
    Did you ever read “The Death Of Childhood” by Neil Postman? He makes some really interesting points.

  86. Martel

    The Marxist trope is deviously wedded through every aspect of womynhood. If you want to have sex, we’ll pay for your birth control. If the birth control fails (or you were too lazy to use it), we’ll pay for your abortion. if you decide to have the kid, we’ll pay for your medical expenses (and maybe even let you put it up for adoption if the father wants to raise it himself). If the kid gets sick (or even just needs a checkup), we’ll play for its medical expenses. We’ll make your employer (if you bother to have one) provide you with lactation breaks, maternity leave, and whatever time off you might need to take care of whatever problems might arise. If he’s just your boyfriend, we’ll make the father of your kid pay you until it’s 18, whether or not he gets to spend any time with the kid or not (no “pro-choice” for him), If you decide to leave your husband, we’ll make him pay you indefinitely, and we might even force him to pay for child support if somebody else is the father. We’ll pay for the kid’s education up through college, and then make sure that by the time it graduates it’s so horribly in debt that it will need US to pay for every damn thing that it needs for its whole life.

    And as soon as they figure out how to legally require Alpha men to bang unattractive women and Beta men to marry them, they’ll do that, too.

  87. Dr. Faust

    “If it’s good for me then it’s good. If it’s bad for me then it’s bad.” That’s more in line with what the church of Satan teaches. Feminists follow a similar system of ethics.

    In psychological terms, it is the Id part of consciousness seeking only personal gratification in the present moment. It’s reflected by impulsive behavior towards sex, shopping, and addictions.

    This rule of id could easily be called the rule of Satan, and I wouldn’t have too much to disagree with. This rule of id is reflected within the economy by materialism and instant gratification, through cell phones, pornography, and shopping malls.

    The path to God is put off the ways of flesh, to restrain the sinful body, put aside the worship of money, material goods, and hedonism, in order to come to into a God centered mind more open to hear and receive God’s voice.

    I know of four ways to do this. One, through prayer. Two, through fasting. Three, through celibacy. Four, through charity. All of these things are meant to change your mind away from the id nature, to develop self control, and put your focus where it needs to be.

    It is no surprise that feminist espouse these beliefs that cater to their impulses to sin. In doing so they lead a man to sin with her. Just as Eve lead Adam to follow the serpent, women will lead men only to sin with her. And only men can lead women to virtue. Any preacher, pastor, or teacher who says otherwise is a false prophet, not just ignorant but malign, corrupted, and evil.

  88. FuzzieWuzzie

    Martel,
    “As soon as they figure out how to legally require Alpha men to bang unattractive women and Beta men to marry them, they’ll do that too.”

    Captain Capitalism has already addressed this about a month ago.
    He promised revolution.
    Isn’t there a pesky little detail that would prevent the implementation of this policy?
    Could it be the U.S. Constitution?

  89. Lisa in Vermont

    The protesters bring the following verse to mind:

    Ephesians 4:18 – Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart.

    I think that all of the women in the photographs should be forced to watch an abortion from start to finish. Better yet, I think they should be forced to watch both an early-term and late-term abortion.

    First, I would have them watch the ultrasound and listen to the heart beat.
    Second, I would have them watch the actual medical procedure where the fetus/baby is destroyed.
    Finally, I would give them a pair of rubber gloves and have them hold and observe the fetus.

    I’ll bet a lot of them would change their minds, especially after witnessing the late-term procedure.

    I have a close friend who had an abortion at 5 months after she found out her baby had a fatal birth defect that would cause him to die within a few hours of being born. Her doctor never told her what the procedure entailed; she researched it after the fact and was horrified. She’s suffered from guilt and depression ever since and her marriage broke up b/c of it.

    She says that if she could turn back time she would have had the baby b/c having him die at birth would have been less devastating than the mental trauma she’s suffered b/c of the abortion.

  90. Guest

    “You know, I don’t believe I have ever heard a feminist address the mountains of research showing how incredibly detrimental it is to a child to be raised by a single mother. ”

    And how about the research that shows it is incredibly detrimental to have a father that repeatedly cheats on his wife? That’s even worse than no dad, I’d bet–a dad that’s a cheater and a liar and a low-life.

  91. Ton

    Fuzzie, the constitution died in 1860. From that point forward the only limit to federal power is the “good will” of the federal government. That dead scrap of paper will do nothing for you.

  92. happyhen11

    “And how about the research that shows it is incredibly detrimental to have a father that repeatedly cheats on his wife? That’s even worse than no dad, I’d bet–a dad that’s a cheater and a liar and a low-life.”

    I may be wrong but that looks like a reframe. How ’bout you try arguing on the facts?

  93. FuzzieWuzzie

    Guest,
    “You know, I don’t believe I have ever heard a feminist address the mountains of reaserch showing how incredibly detrimental it is to a child to be raised by a single mother.”

    We still haven’t. Would you care to address the issue?

    As for your ad hominem, it wouldn’t surprise me to find that more alienated fathers have died by their own hand than there are “bad dads” by your definition.

  94. Looking Glass

    Ah, we’ve got a live one! And it can’t argue from basic data! Drat, it’s a dud.

    (This is the part where, if someone wants to bother, “staying together for the kids” is actually better for the kids than a divorce. Divorce is *that* destructive on children. Not that “Guest” has any actual ability to address a point and will furiously attempt to reframe rather than engage any topic. Ah, I just wish they were cuter. Then the flailing would be funny.)

  95. FuzzieWuzzie

    Ton,
    It’s curious that you bring up 1860. Jefferson Davis was Secretary of War under James Buchanan. What a difference a year makes?
    My grandmother always thought that John C. Breckinridge could have kept the country together.
    A few years later, he’s ordering fire on federals at Newmarket.

  96. Farm Boy

    And as soon as they figure out how to legally require Alpha men to bang unattractive women and Beta men to marry them, they’ll do that, too.

    Let me fix that for you.

    And as soon as they figure out how to provide birth control such that Alpha men can bang unattractive women and Beta men can finance them, they’ll do that, too.

    We already have this situation.

  97. dannyfrom504

    then the precident for gov’t paying for vasectomies is validated. wouldn’t THAT be better (and humane) than funding abortions.

    oh wait…..the already are in the name of the family court system.

  98. FuzzieWuzzie

    I just went through all the photos again, but this time, looking for wedding rings. Very few.
    A whole lot fewer than the expected fifty one percent.
    Could someone have forgotten to tell them that reproduction requires the mutual consent of two parties? Without that, wouldn’t the question of abortion be moot?

  99. Anonymous age 71

    >>And how about the research that shows it is incredibly detrimental to have a father that repeatedly cheats on his wife? That’s even worse than no dad, I’d bet–a dad that’s a cheater and a liar and a low-life.

    Wrong! Studies over the years have shown that kids with a less than perfect dad do much better than kids with no dad at all. The only limit is the rare case when the dad actually places the kids in harm’s way. I put it that way because most child abuse is done by Mommy, not by daddy. Evidence is a child is safer in the legal custody of the father from birth, er, from conception.

    Even Oprah once admitted the sexual abuse she experienced stopped dead when her father got custody.

  100. Feminist Hater

    And how about the research that shows it is incredibly detrimental to have a father that repeatedly cheats on his wife? That’s even worse than no dad, I’d bet–a dad that’s a cheater and a liar and a low-life.

    This message was a brought and paid for advertisement for Wendy Davis. If you want free abortions and fathers out of the home, vote Wendy Davis.

  101. Farm Boy

    Feminists dont ask for consent. Just cash.

    After viewing the above pictures, I would conjecture that the flow of cash might temporarily go the other way.

  102. BradA

    A bit off topic, but adoption is a huge can of worms as well. Not sure about infant adoption, but you can go from being a great parent to being an abuser in a second if your children decide to turn on you. Major support for parent’s rights would have to be in place to make that a viable option for many.

    Childless couples may still jump at the infant adoption, but going for the older children (even if “young” by most standards) can be a huge mess.

  103. Cautiously Pessimistic

    Re: the kids at the protest, I feel bad for their future. They’re being raised to think abortion is no big deal and just a perfectly legitimate choice and nothing to feel bad about. And when they get their first abortion, they’ll have a choice of coming to grips with what they’ve done, or doubling down on sin. I expect most of them will double down without even realizing they’ve made that decision. But the few that don’t? I pity them and what they’ll have to live with for the rest of their lives.

  104. earl

    Basically anybody at those pro abortion rallies represent whores.

    Outside they look all energetic and fired up…inside they are dead.

    Ladies at pro life rallies represent virgins.

    Outside they are calm, peaceful, prayerful…inside they are alive.

  105. Farm Boy

    @FuzzieWuzzie

    Do female bears ever work hard at being ugly on both the inside and the outside?

  106. earl

    “Notice how this peculiar mouth posture is present in nearly every photo.”

    Yeah…like they are looking for something to fill it.

  107. Farm Boy

    Outside they look all energetic and fired up…inside they are dead.

    Indeed.

    They have gin up outside enthusiasm to convince themselves otherwise about their insides.

  108. empathologism

    “Notice how this peculiar mouth posture is present in nearly every photo.”

    It was used by the director or World War Z for training the zombies.

  109. FuzzieWuzzie

    Farm Boy,
    “Do female bears work hard at being ugly on both the inside and the outside?”
    There are no feminist bears.
    I have a suspicion that this particular group of human females have issues of conflict with the biological imperative. Maybe it’s a control issue? It seems to me that their conscious minds are taking them in directions that nature didn’t intend.
    Thoughts?

  110. peevealn

    @Randy Miller

    “but look at what the sign of the little girl in yellow says:”
    Charming, isn’t it? I wonder if that will go in her scrap book? Hope so, it will practically ensure an ivy league admission if she works it into an essay.

    While I agree that abortion and political protest will be championed by some in the ivory tower (all of upper academia), it’s practically impossible for you to get into an ivy league school like this. I’m currently at an ivy league school and I’ve noticed that nearly everyone who gets in here comes from two parent households. The typical student is someone from an upper class East Coast U.S. family where one or more of the parents has made a lot of money and sent their kids to private schools. People here don’t default into floundering around in socio-gender-womens-time-wasting like at many state schools, people default into working for Goldman Sachs or McKinsey or trying to end up in a high-power law firm. So while I agree that many in academia champion these types of views, the actual top students rarely come from households where the effects of these views are fully realized.

  111. Looking Glass

    @peevealn:

    Yup, they “support” the things they would never actually do, so they can feel absolution for their own “high” place in life.

  112. M3

    Late to the party. Loved the post even if we fundamentally agree on access to abortion.

    I’m not one to take that right away from women, even tho i find the procedure grizzly and ghastly. Ultimately it is her right to do with as she pleases and i have no moral objection to it. I’m the ‘equality’ guy who says men should be able to financially abort and not be slaved for 18 years for a woman’s choice to go ahead. It’s not about taking rights away from women, but giving ‘choice’ to men by granting them reproductive rights as well.

    Where we agree is the posturing of the protestors, the use of non-aborted kids as props, the misdirection that government is trying to invade your body (it actually seeks to help keep invasive things out, like penis’s or vacuum nozzles).

    Personally i think if it were mandated that every man could financially abort from an unwanted pregnancy, that single mother welfare support were removed, women were told in no uncertain terms that the ‘village’ would not help raise the child, so you better have your own blood family ready to support your offspring because i have my own family to take care of.. if they knew there was no daddy government to bail them out of a stupid choice to have sex, and faced the same ‘man up’ responsibility men have.. well i think there would be a drastic reduction in unwanted pregnancies, thus reduction in abortions as well.

    Telling women they don’t have a right is the wrong way to go changing things. You have to make the system so unpalatable for them to partake in so they voluntarily rationalize (logically or hamsterly) their decision to not have promiscuous, unprotected sex.

  113. earl

    “I’m the ‘equality’ guy who says men should be able to financially abort and not be slaved for 18 years for a woman’s choice to go ahead. It’s not about taking rights away from women, but giving ‘choice’ to men by granting them reproductive rights as well.”

    Yup that is ‘equality’.

    I’m the jerk that goes for unequal…nobody has the right to the abortion. You both make the choice…you both get the consequences.

    My plan would lead to a lot less welfare, government intervention, and unwanted pregnancies. People would start to love again and I bet a lot of other crimes would go down too.

  114. Martel

    @ peevealn: Interesting thoughts about kids at the Ivies. It’s very common for the well-off to advocate that others do things that they would never do themselves, like mandate that a small business have to pay minimum wage and provide health insurance while paying their own immigrant gardeners peanuts under the table with no benefits.

    But even if they did live the way they advocate others live, it wouldn’t hurt them as much. When you’re rich you can afford to blow $450 in a strip joint, others don’t have as much margin for error.

    So during the sexual revolution when upper-middle class kids were working to tear down the family, it hurt the rich, but as those ideas filtered through the rest of society it absolutely destroyed the poor.

    The daughter of the CEO of some multinational conglomerate can actively promote that taxpayers support womyn’s studies departments, but she’s probably going to major in finance. But even if she does major in womyn’s studies herself, she’ll probably get a job after graduation because of daddy’s rolodex. Some girl who’s dad’s a plumber doing the same thing would be utterly screwed.

  115. FuzzieWuzzie

    Found this today on Captain Capitalism. It’s a day late but still funny.
    John Phillips Susa must be rolling over…

  116. Legion

    Guest July 4, 2013 at 1:51 pm
    “Not exactly Christlike.”

    Nothing like starting off here as a lying Christian hypocrite if all you can do is point out the motes in others eyes.

  117. alcestiseshtemoa

    @peevealn:

    Yup, they “support” the things they would never actually do, so they can feel absolution for their own “high” place in life.

    Bingo, Looking Glass. The upper-middle class are true believers who practice hypocrisy and accuse others of the same (projection). The upper-class is just full of “get along” and “going with the flow” types (they support modern enlightened liberalism, but it’s a weaker type and a completely different virus and at a certain level).

    I’m fearful and disdainful of both, but if I had to choose one to direct the cure it would definitely be the upper-class (except maybe for Jews, ah those pesky Jews).

  118. alcestiseshtemoa

    “Notice how this peculiar mouth posture is present in nearly every photo.”

    It was used by the director or World War Z for training the zombies.

    empathologism, here’s a clip.

  119. Legion

    sunshinemary Post authorJuly 4, 2013 at 3:11 pm
    “If we outlaw abortion…guess who we get more of.”

    Nope. They will go to back alleys & start giving each other abortions with those asinine plastic hangers. After weeks they will both starve to death & we will have fewer of them.

  120. earl

    Well if they would stick some stranger’s dick in there…why wouldn’t they put a coat hanger in as well?

  121. alcestiseshtemoa

    This was perhaps my favorite World War Z clip.

    And this is the trailer for perhaps the only good Resident Evil movie: the first one. Most life action packed Resident Evil movies (after the 1st one) suck, don’t follow the game at all (trust me on that, where did this new Alice figurine come from?) and don’t have good dialogue, characterization and storylines.

  122. Legion

    Guest July 4, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Nice strawman post. Can’t blame the wimmez for anything because a man once did something wrong. We hear what men do wrong all the time. This post is taking women to task for a change of pace. Get your little mind on the right track.

  123. an observer

    On equality and inequality…

    The state is all too ready to increase its intervention in individuals lives. Christians should be wary of coopting the hand of the state to enforce morality. Whilst christians have standards to live up to, i have no expectations that heathen will, or ought to, adopt them. This needs to be a voluntary choice.

    The same argument of the state must do something is the first step towards regulation. At the end of tbe chain, people have no concept that the issue was originally a private issue, and now cannot imagine the govt not being involved.

    It all works much like a mass game of stockholm syndrome. The individual might end up fat, sick, broke, disempowered and deceived, but still supports the local candidate, because ‘they’re going to do something.’

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  125. Martel

    @ observer: “The state is all too ready to increase its intervention in individuals lives. Christians should be wary of coopting the hand of the state to enforce morality.”

    True, but at least according to the Declaration of Independence, it IS the role of the government to protect the individual right to life. If live begins at conception, then the state has every right to intervene.

    I’m predominantly libertarian (with an emphasis on de-centralism and Washington having as little power as possible), and I’m keenly aware of the dangers of the government enforcing morality. It corrupts and enlarges government and makes those who ascribe to correct morality lazy.

    Which is why for so long I didn’t support abortion laws; my natural default is always to keep the government out of it.

    Yet one of the very few powers that the government should have is to offer retribution against those who unjustly expand their rights by depriving us of ours. Nobody has the right to take the life of another. I want as little government as possible, but that’s one thing I simply can’t avoid.

    And some interesting links today on male reproductive rights posted at 2 pm today at instapundit.com
    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2013/07/dear_prudie_i_tricked_my_boyfriend_into_getting_me_pregnant.html
    http://www.salon.com/1998/09/23/cov_23feature_3/
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200508/not-so-accidental-pregnancies

    and one of the better comeuppance stories you’ll read in a while:
    http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sea/274495936.html

  126. FuzzieWuzzie

    Martel,
    Having read your linked post, I wanted to take some time to respond. Your observations have merit. “It is not good for man to be alone.” was written into Genesis. At the time, the feminine corollary was understood and there was no need to consider it. Now, it has to be said outright. It’s not good for women to be alone.
    The women pictured in the original post are making themselves into social outcasts. Maybe some will come back. What it will take is to recognize men as human beings and they’ll have to do it entirely on their own.
    To expand on your post, if feminism is a gigantic society wide fitness test, how do we pass?
    The only thing that I can come up with is to withdraw, both contact and support.

  127. Martel

    In regards to passing, I believe it’s threefold. With some women, “to withdraw, both contact and support” is appropriate. Second, it’s important to be an Alpha. The more men pass tests, the fewer women will turn into shrews. Third, we need the government to stop being hostile to men, religion, and family. This means oppising welfare and whatever other goodies encourage laziness, reforming sexual harassment law, etc.

  128. The Observer

    “Late to the party. Loved the post even if we fundamentally agree on access to abortion.

    I’m not one to take that right away from women, even tho i find the procedure grizzly and ghastly. Ultimately it is her right to do with as she pleases and i have no moral objection to it. I’m the ‘equality’ guy who says men should be able to financially abort and not be slaved for 18 years for a woman’s choice to go ahead. It’s not about taking rights away from women, but giving ‘choice’ to men by granting them reproductive rights as well.”

    Refutation to violinist argument and Non-aggression principle utterly wrecks “my body, my choice” argument and any appeals to personal sovereignty. Bonus points if you point out how your precious personal sovereignty is violated regularly without a peep.

    Scientific basis for humanity based on unique DNA of child and SLED argument utterly wreck any metric of humanity save possessing human DNA. Common arguments based on metrics of intelligence, dependence, cognizance, disability all fail a simple “if x is y and y is z, then all x is z” test.

    No appeal to god or any deity required. Agnostic here.

    Glad you have no moral objection to infanticide.

    “I think it’s evil and find it disgusting…but I don’t want to impede on people’s CHOICE!” makes you either a coward because you won’t stand up for what you believe in, a hypocrite because you don’t really believe it’s evil, or willfully blind for condoning evil.

  129. Ton

    People have been attempting to end government hostility toward men, God, family etc since the 1800′s. Never going to happen as long as america is so large, since each region has its own ethnic/ and regional concerns.

    Now the liberals are going to hate that notion because they believe all people are the same and interchangeable, but that doesn’t change the reality any.

  130. Maeve

    a little OT, but I wanted to mention that Mike Adams, a professor of criminology at UNC Wilmington and a strong pro-life voice, has a fantastic new book out “Letters to a Young Progressive” which I think should be required reading for all young Christians – and their parents.

  131. Chris

    I always find it hilarious when the agnostics come in, and argue from nature about things — such as looking at DNA (which is conserved across species) as an example of us “not being human”

    As if being human is a bad thing. It may be that they are afraid of being moral agents, of having to take responsibility for their actions.

    The deeply unfunny irony is that the feminists and queer activists base their philosophy on arguing against nature and for freedom of choice.

    For if you argue from nature, you will be walking into one of the standard philosophical demonstrations of the existence of God.
    _________
    As someone who is adopted, and has three other siblings, all of whom were adopted: the old adoption laws worked. They worked for my birth mother, who returned to her professional training, married a couple of years later and raised a family.

    And they worked for my mother and father, who love children and told us, from as early as we could understand, that they chose us, and that we were doubly precious and loved. The meme out there that this causes damage — and I have dealt with too many stupid Freudians in my live — is simply wrong. Good parents find this issue minute. Bad parents damage chidlren from their own womb or from the orphanage.

  132. Martel

    @ Ton: It’ll never be perfect, but it could be a lot better than it is. There’s no (good) reason for Washington to impose so much of its crap on EVERYBODY.

    I believe that certain right are unalienable, like the right to bear arms, and that no government, state, local, or federal has the right to deprive its citizens of them. However, the Feds are now America’s biggest opponents of individual rights, and about 95% of what Washington does could be better handled locally.

  133. Ton

    Maybe that would have worked if the nation was founding stock and WASP, but starting in the 1840-1850 timeframe yankees wanted cheap labor and imported people who were hostile to individual liberties. those ideals will never come back because the genetics and common cultural ground that created it are no longer here.

  134. Martel

    Which is a good reason to limit democracy–Truth is absolute and should never depend on public opinion. I understand that it won’t work that way, but Progressive Era reforms like the direct election of senators were such a disaster.

    Earlier immigration waves presented problems, but it wasn’t until the late 20th century that they really messed us over. But as many probs as immigration has given us here, it’s nothing compared to Europe.

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  136. an observer

    Martel,

    Glad to hear of your political leanings. However, i will add that the position you describe sounds much like a miniarchy, which i think is untenable in the longer term. I think a panarchy would be more workable, but still somewhat suboptimal.
    http://markstoval.wordpress.com/2013/06/16/anarchy-miniarchy-panarchy-society-and-the-individual/

    I have virtually zero expectations that the state can, does or would protect my interests. It is simply is not a priority. The state exists only to serve itself, expand its power and ensure its own survival. Individuals are not important, except as revenue generating units to be stolen from. The us was originally a republic, ‘if they could keep it.’ We know the rest.

    An unplanned, or oops pregnancy between two unmarried people should become a contract negotiation. If the woman wants all the rights and make unilateral decisions, she can have all the responsibilities and obligations, too. That means no forced wealth transfers, no welfare handouts. In reality, her body her rights is just a catchphrase for the state to assist women by subsidising her choices.

    In such a situation without a state, and with consequences for pregnancy outside stable, contractual partnerships (which we call marriage, also egulated and corrupted by the state), women would quickly learn to avoid unplanned pregnancies. The consequences would be too severe. But since the state subsidises womens poor decision making, we end up with more single moms, and cultural pressure to normalise the context.

  137. Martel

    @ observer: Panarchy is interesting. I don’t have time to get into the potential problems I see with it (and ALL governments, inlcuding the absence of any govt presents problems).

    If you’re interested, I go into a bit of detail on one of the fundamental conflicts between libertariansim and conservatism here. It’s more about describing the debate than taking a side, but it also show a way in which they’re allies:

    http://alphaisassumed.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/i-a-guns/

  138. RICanuck

    @lisa in Vermont

    Your comment re. your friend who had a ‘eugenic’ abortion brought back memories.

    Our younger daughter died at 28 hours of age of anencephalia. When Mary-Anne was diagnosed from the ultrasound, my wife was upset. (Her Dad dying the same day didn’t help matters.) She was referred to a specialist. I went with her to the specialist (a neo-natal neurosurgeon) and the first thing he suggested was ‘termination’. My poor wife looked like she had just been punched in the gut. I said that termination was not an option. The specialist attempted to browbeat my wife, but I stood firm and said that ‘termination’ was not an option.

    Later that evening I was perturbed that someone could just suggest killing my child. I had a private revelation that God gives some people a test of love, and when I stand before the throne of judgement, God will know that I passed that test. I pity those who failed including the the neo-natal neurosurgeon.

    The pressure from most medical providers on my wife to ‘terminate’ continued. I tried to run as much interference as I could. Thank God that our usual family doctor was an Orthodox Jew, and pro-life.

    When Mary-Anne was born, I could accept in my mind that her life would be short, but that did not prepare me for her death. She had Grandpa and her aunts and uncles visit her. She was held and loved, as much as she could recognize. During her last few hours, I held her, I smiled at her. My mother-in-law held her also, as my brother and sister-in-law. My wife left the room a few minutes before our daughter died because as she was holder our daughter, she had a massive flow of breast milk, that our daughter was incapable of taking.

    When I held Mary-Anne, and I saw her eyes roll back as she lost consciousness I begged God to take me instead of her.

    Lisa, your friend was left abandoned, she was just a patient, and her child never had the opportunity to be loved by those who should have loved him. I can’t say more because I am crying.

    [ssm: What a heart-breakingly beautiful story. Thank you for telling it.]

  139. Farm Boy

    Are the hamsters of the pictured women the same as those of more “normalish” women?

  140. Lisa in Vermont

    RICanuck

    Thank you so much for sharing your experience. My friend’s baby had Potter’s Syndrome. Essentially, he had no kidneys which is a death sentence. Most babies only live a few hours. Still, she regrets not having spent those precious few hours with him. I think it will always haunt her as she’s not a Christian and doesn’t quite grasp that she can be forgiven through Christ though I have tried to gently witness to her.

    I also had a baby diagnosed prenatally with a rare brain birth defect and was given the option of late-term abortion. My husband and I never considered it. We were more fortunate than you and your wife b/c in our child’s case the birth defect wasn’t fatal.

    We had to sign all sorts of paperwork confirming that we understood the possible outcomes (severe mental retardation, blindness, deafness, never walking, talking, or potty training) so that we couldn’t sue later for “wrongful birth.” I think some of the doctors we dealt with thought we were out of our minds for continuing with the pregnancy.

    Our daughter is three years old and has defied all of the odds. She walks, talks (all the time), is potty trained, loves creative play, is very charming, and can pretty much do everything her peers are doing. She doesn’t require any special services other than speech therapy twice a month and her speech therapist has said that she only lags slightly behind other children her age. We call her our “miracle child.”

    How sad that some parents of babies with birth defects are given no hope and pressured to abort. How sad that others can’t see that life, even if only lived for hours or days, is precious.

    I know by faith that God will bless you and your wife for cherishing your daughter and that you will know the joy of embracing her once again in Heaven.

  141. Ton

    May the Alimghty bless both your families LiV and RI

    Finally figured out what was bothering me about the every child wanted sign.

    Neither of my children were planned. In theory both came at the worse of possible times. Nothing unwanted about either of them for me. Cannot say I was a jumping for joy, but then again I’m not the emotive type (outside of anger). Not the largest of test, and I didn’t know what abortion was, being none back in the hills. Still, the notion don’t sit right

    Given what the recent german immigrants did for the newly formed republican party, and that the 1st English only laws were in the 1840′s and targeted at Norwegians in Minnesota, I say the early immigrants were a problems. Which is why I say yankees don’t belong in the South. No to little kinship or deep cultural ties. Which is a huge issue with libertarian, them thinking only abstract ideals matter.

  142. handbanana

    if women couldn’t play the victim, would they ever protest anything?
    say, for instance, protesting in favor of male reproductive rights…

  143. Dr. Illusion

    If a woman decides she does not want a baby, she can kill it with no consequences. If a man does not want a baby, it doesn’t matter. He will still support the child. The end.

    Wish I could be more intelligent and thought provoking. Still recovering from last post. Go with God.

  144. RICanuck

    @Lisa in Vermont & Martel

    Lisa, may God bless you and your family.

    Re. your friend’s marriage breaking up, I do not think that your friend should beat herself for that. Let me share another anecdote.

    Once when my second son needed day surgery to rebuild his kneecap we where at a hospital (in Ontario) that scheduled a large number of day surgeries at the same time. When I went to the recovery room, my son was the only male. All of the females were complaining of abdominal pain. I knew what procedure all of them had gone through.

    Before being allowed in the recovery room, I noticed that none of the men waiting room would make eye contact or do anything but look at the floor. It really hit me that the men were ashamed of failing as men. Whether they pressured their women, or just went along, they had failed as men.

    In the link that Martel referenced:
    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2013/07/dear_prudie_i_tricked_my_boyfriend_into_getting_me_pregnant.html
    A lot of manosphere guys get upset with deliberate pregnancies but most men are willing to accept responsibility for the results of their DNA. The story following is of a woman who got pregnant, had an abortion but neglected to tell her boyfriend. The advice given was to say nothing. I think that the woman who asked for advice will always remember that she killed her boyfriend’s unborn child. She will always remember his failure as a man, and he will always know something is wrong, even if he doesn’t know what. Lisa, your friend’s marriage (IMO) broke up, because her husband failed as a man. It is the duty of a man to protect his children, and the children of his clan.

    Just as an example, my grandmother’s older brother had a steel pin placed in his hip after the Battle of Passchdaele. When he returned to Canada he married the widow of one of his war buddies. He never had any of his own children, but even in my youth, I could see the love and respect his step-children offered him. I suspect that more than his hip was damaged. He may have been castrated, but never unmanned.

    For a man to be complicit in killing his child, born or unborn, is worse than castration. That is why Lisa’s friend’s marriage broke up.

  145. Farm Boy

    @FuzzieWuzzie

    I saw that earlier. Good stuff, it is. It is great when ideas percolate around the web.

    I think that the female in the top picture should have had a tatoo of “chest hair”. It would have completed the look.

    Actually, that might be an idea for you, FuzzieWuzzie

  146. Farm Boy

    Well if they would stick some stranger’s dick in there…why wouldn’t they put a coat hanger in as well?

    The coat hanger can at least be sterilized.

  147. Farm Boy

    HHG says there aren’t beer goggles thick enough

    Try wood alcohol. It will make you go blind.

  148. happyhen11

    RICanuck and Lisa,

    I don’t have words. Thank you for sharing. Your stories mean so much. And Lisa, I will pray for your friend.

  149. FuzzieWuzzie

    Farm Boy,
    You’re right about the gal in the top photo. She already has the right figure. Now, a hat with round ears on top to complete the ensemble?

    I have been holding off writing something because Eeyore would say my themes are too dark. But there was a positive thought for single men. Your prospective mate should care enough and be generous enough to try to enhance your life. Judgybitch had a recent post about how a gal should care enough to inquire and do something if her guy is hungry. A simple test that does go to the heart of the matter.

    Do you think any of the gals in the above photos could pass that test?

  150. Farm Boy

    Do you think any of the gals in the above photos could pass that test?

    Well, many of them obviously know what food is. Probably, they stay home all day baking pies and then eating them. When hubby comes home, there is nothing left.

  151. FuzzieWuzzie

    Farm Boy,
    You just reminded me of the Katzenjammer Kids. The boys were forever stealing Mama’s fresh baked pies off the shelf of the kitchen’s dutch door where she left them to cool.
    I don’t think this bunch has to worry about the Katzenjammer Kids.

    I had another extraneous thought about how technology has reduced the power of women.
    Women used to cook all the meals. They were the source of the finished product that we call food.
    In ancient times, women brewed all the beer.
    Now, that’s power.

  152. FuzzieWuzzie

    I just had a truly horrible thought.
    Could feminism be a reaction to Swanson’s introduction of TV dinners in the 50s?

  153. grey_whiskers

    @FuzzieWuzzie July 5, 2013 at 9:32 pm, @Farm Boy

    Farm Boy,
    You just reminded me of the Katzenjammer Kids. The boys were forever stealing Mama’s fresh baked pies off the shelf of the kitchen’s dutch door where she left them to cool.
    I don’t think this bunch has to worry about the Katzenjammer Kids.

    I had another extraneous thought about how technology has reduced the power of women.
    Women used to cook all the meals. They were the source of the finished product that we call food.
    In ancient times, women brewed all the beer.
    Now, that’s power.

    Try reading “Are Women Human?” by Dorothy L. Sayers. The gist of her argument is that technology and the industrialization have removed all the elements from the home which kept being a housewife from being *boring* — women used to have to make their own thread and cloth, then dye it, and plan and cut and stitch the family’s clothes; they used to have to take the food from the barn to the table (slaughter, dress, cook, season); they used to have to bake bread from scratch and brew. All these things not only required intelligence, and planning, and “stick-to-it-iveness” but they were clearly essential, and *valued*.
    Sayers was an early female graduate of Oxford (1915) and of a time hung around with the Inklings. She has written a whole series of mystery novels (Lord Peter Wimsey stories) as well as a number of first-rate essays and apologetics…

  154. theshadowedknight

    Ton, anyone from the South complaining about Yankees importing foreign cultures to exploit for cheap labor is a little hypocritical. The foreign culture you lot imported is a bit more trouble than the Midwest is. I will see you Minnesota and raise you Michigan and Illinois. You have no moral high ground on this subject whatsoever. If anyone has right to call anyone else out, it is most convenient not the South.

    The Shadowed Knight

  155. Lisa in Vermont

    Judgybitch had a recent post about how a gal should care enough to inquire and do something if her guy is hungry. A simple test that does go to the heart of the matter.

    Judgybitch is the Bertha Mason of the blogosphere. Batshit crazy IMO. I wouldn’t take relationship advice from her even if I could get through her mind-numbing blog design.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m a fairly talented cook and I enjoy preparing meals for my husband. But, he’s not a little boy. I don’t need to ask him if he’s hungry. Even my 3-year-old can let me know when she wants something to eat.

  156. FuzzieWuzzie

    grey_whiskers,
    It is scary to think that my TV dinner hypothesis has some merit. Thanks for the tip on Dorothy L. Sayers.
    Have to admit that I have heard other voices speculate that Betty Friedan was motivated by boredom.

  157. Ethical

    An entertaining and insightful post that highlighted a particularly interesting issue for me. I was Googling “former feminists” thinking that identifying which arguments caused their conversion might provide instruction on how to educate more like them. Because after reading countless discussions between feminists and MRAs in countless comment sections following countless articles, it was clear no logical argument as yet presented had any degree of effectiveness against the feminists. They simply used ridicule to avoid and ignore honest discussion of any argument, and cries for “a safe place from hatred against women” to ban any discussion that called them to account for anything. It was then I read an article written by someone named Pelle Billing who said “women quite simply haven’t been given the information and tools needed to feel empathy for men. It struck me that the way I and other men have tried to browbeat women with facts has in general only managed to convince a subset of other men. It hasn’t been enough. As a whole all of us men, even those like myself who have been scarred by feminism, are naturally inclined to protect women. We’ll always refuse to call women to the same account that we call other men. So women must also be engaged better to bring about the change we all need. I look forward to reading more red pill women’s blogs to understand how women can communicate to other women with this empathy for their sons, brothers, husbands, fathers, and other men, in addition to their empathy for other women that they already have.

  158. Guest

    “The specialist attempted to browbeat my wife, but I stood firm and said that ‘termination’ was not an option.”

    I hope you first inquired what would be the safest option for your wife.

  159. FuzzieWuzzie

    Lisa in Vermont,
    A lot of the time, JB is a hoot. However, she’s mining Jezabel for blog fodder a lot and that has to be hard on anyone’s sanity.
    As for advice, everything has to be taken with a grain of salt. I liked that one because it’s an innocous test for compassion.
    Of course you know when PJ is hungry. You probably know before he realizes it. The same way that you know that the dog is always hungry. You all live in the same house.
    You’re right about her page taking forever to load.

  160. Guest

    “Of course you know when PJ is hungry. You probably know before he realizes it. The same way that you know that the dog is always hungry. ”

    No, what she said was that if her husband was hungry, he could let her know.

  161. The Observer

    “I hope you first inquired what would be the safest option for your wife.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anencephalic

    Won’t speak for RLCanuck, but the condition involves mostly lack of brain tissue. The mother’s health is at no point, generally speaking, even an issue with this condition. It was all about killing off the disabled to “reduce suffering”.

    In fact, the worst thing for her long-term heatlh would probably be to have the abortion, considering the up to six-fold increased risks of breast cancer and future miscarriages and childbed deaths associated with abortions.

    Shoo, little anklebiter.

  162. Ton

    Not really TSK, sent you an email

    Mothers health? What a joke. #1 it’s a non issue compared to the child. Men don’t put much concern on their health when they provide for child and mother. #2 there are no shortage of doctors who will over state the risk to the mother’s health to keep the child murder cult alive.

  163. Pirran

    @SSM
    “[Note to the grammarians: it's hard to decide on the plural of ho. Is it hoes or hos? Merriam-Webster says either hoes or hos is okay, so I guess I'll go with hoes and trust that context makes it obvious that I'm not talking about gardening.]”

    I believe the correct plural is “hose” (which may be prefixed to “beast” for greater clarity).

    [ssm: LOL!]

  164. Je Suis Prest

    @ RICanuck and Lisa

    Thank you both for sharing your stories and may God bless and keep both you and your families. One of my cousins chose to give birth to a child even though he wasn’t going to live long on this world and I was surprised at how critical people were of her choice. She also expressed how isolated she felt because people didn’t want to hear about or know about her child. I know those aren’t easy stories to share and I’m grateful that you chose to express them here.

  165. Miserman

    handbanana wrote,

    if women couldn’t play the victim, would they ever protest anything? say, for instance, protesting in favor of male reproductive rights…

    Feminist argue that men already have unlimited reproductive rights through “male privilege.” It’ ultimately a conjured straw man to justify their victimhood-based protests.

  166. UK Fred

    Sorry I’m late to the party, again. But I think I can contribute something to the debate.

    First, the best way to get the government out of every woman’s uterus would be to stop welfare. And the best way to help people to cope would be to raise the tax thresholds.

    Secondly, no-one seems to have given the Terman Longitudinal Study any thought. This showed that after correcting for all other economic and environmental factors, the child of divorced parents had a life expectancy of five years less than his equivalent from a home with no divorce.

    Thirdly, no-one protesting seems to understand that what they are saying, at a radical level, is “We do not want to have to deal with the consequences of our decisions.” They may choose to accept those consequences, the children, when it suits and will not when the do not choose the other alternative.

    On a personal note, my wife was 35 when she was carrying our second daughter. We were asked if we wanted an amniocentesis test. We asked why to be told so that you can see whether the child has any genetic abnormalities. So, we asked. It will give you the option to have a termination was the response. I seem to remember we replied in unison “That will NOT happen.” When my wife went for another ante-natal check she was again asked about an amniocentesis and she suggested, very quietly, as she does when she is fighting to keep her temper under control, “How does a lawsuit for harassment sound as a response to your question. We were allocated to a Christian midwife we knew after that.

    Finally, in the UK this last week, statistics have been released which show that the proportion of women who are having a second or subsequent abortion is 36% and has risen from the previous years. Ann Furedi, the chief executive of BPAS (formerly the British Pregnancy Advice Service) which claims on its own website to be the UK’s leading abortion specialist, has claimed that sexually active women need to have access to abortions more than once because contraception cannot control their fertility. Mrs. Furedi married in 1982 Frank Furedi, founder and then leader of the British Revolutionary Communist Party, to whose magazine LM she contributed. So now we have it from the chief exec of the British equivalent of Planned Parenthood. abortion is just an alternative to contraception.

  167. Farm Boy

    @FuzzieWuzzie

    Perhaps you could teach those women how to hibernate during the winter, such that they would lose their fat

    As a plus, they would not be interacting with men during this time.

  168. FuzzieWuzzie

    Farm Boy,
    There is a drawback to your plan for hibernation. When they wake up in the spring, they’ll be very grouchy. They’re bad enough in their normal state.

  169. Farm Boy

    When they wake up in the spring, they’ll be very grouchy

    I dunno. When they wake up, they will see how thin they are, and this might cancel out the grouchiness.

    But then, they might decide to divorce their husbands, take all his money and go EPL. Perhaps this hibernation thing is not a good idea. Let them wallow in the mire.

  170. FuzzieWuzzie

    Farm Boy,
    I don’t think that they have husbands to divorce. Upstream, I made the comment that, after having gone through all the photos, I found very few wedding rings. If 49% of adults are single, this sample is way above average in that respect.
    The Eat, Pray, Love scenario may not be an option.

  171. Butterfly Flower

    Before being allowed in the recovery room, I noticed that none of the men waiting room would make eye contact or do anything but look at the floor. It really hit me that the men were ashamed of failing as men. Whether they pressured their women, or just went along, they had failed as men.

    Are you sure the women had elective abortions, instead of a D&C following an incomplete miscarriage? It is a fairly common procedure. Misoprostol (i.e. the abortion pill/the coating on NSAIDs to prevent internal bleeding) is also administered post-miscarriage.

  172. FuzzieWuzzie

    Farm Boy,
    We can throw all these half baked concepts around for fun, but, sooner or later, we’ll stumble over something huge.
    The part about the Eat, Pray, Love scenario that gets to me is that it presumes an abundance mentality regardless of age. It negates the concept of “The Wall”. The abundance mentality forces single men into a scarcity mentality exacerbating difficulties that single men experience in dating.

  173. deti

    I’ve known three women who had abortions. at least two of them, for their parts, knew what they had done — they murdered their children, and they were keenly aware of it. Those two women are still dealing with the long-standing ramifications of their choices.

    The second wife of my uncle (my mother’s brother) had at least one abortion. My uncle discovered it only after finding the medical bills for the procedure and related services.

    They divorced several years thereafter. Not only did my uncle’s second wife abort her baby and try to conceal it; she also suffered from depression; became a prescription drug addict; was a spendthrift; and contributed nothing to her marriage. She didn’t work. She had no education and no marketable skills. She had no real job, and no career. She was a failure in her job ventures and never really made any money. She didn’t want children and refused to have any (as we can see above). Yet he stayed with her 17 years. When he divorced her, the courts ordered him to pay some alimony for a couple of years, despite her having nearly bankrupted him with medical bills and consumer debt.

  174. FuzzieWuzzie

    Farm Boy,
    I have heard women admit to chocolate as a substitute for sex.
    Could the obesity epidemic be a manifestation of suppressed sexual frustration?

  175. RICanuck

    @Butterfly Flower,

    This was about 16 years ago, before Plan B was available. Most of the women were teenagers, and it was in one of the few locations in that part of Ontario that had an abortionist. One of the non-teenage women was shrieking that she wanted her baby back. Another harridan told the shrieker to shut up. It was no big deal as she had already had 4 ‘procedures’.

  176. Farm Boy

    Could the obesity epidemic be a manifestation of suppressed sexual frustration?

    If a woman wants sex, she can get it.

  177. UK Fred

    @Farm Boy

    If a woman wants sex, she can get it

    Perhaps binging on chocolate has totally overwhelmed the more natural sexual desires, and so the cause of both the obesity and the suppressed sexual frustration is binging on chocolate.

  178. FuzzieWuzzie

    Could we be onto something here? Call it “The Chocolate Paradox”?
    “If a woman wants sex, she can get it.”
    It’s a lot simpler to go to the store and there’s far less shame.
    To answer your point Farm Boy, the abundance/scarcity dynamic does grant the advantage of being a “buyer” in the transaction to the woman while the man has to work hard to “sell”.

  179. grey_whiskers

    @UK Fred July 6, 2013 at 1:06 pm , @Farm Boy, @FuzzieWuzzie, @SSM

    If a woman wants sex, she can get it

    Perhaps binging on chocolate has totally overwhelmed the more natural sexual desires, and so the cause of both the obesity and the suppressed sexual frustration is binging on chocolate.

    Question to ponder. Everyone has heard of the term “coyote ugly” — is there any such thing as a womyn’s having sex with a man far beneath her standards, just to get laid, followed by self-recriminations? (Yes, I know about after-the-fact, retroactive “I was ‘raped’ (i.e. changed my mind several days or a week later)). But even in those cases, does the woman sometimes hate *herself* for lowering her standards for a night, with the result that she gets depressed / eats too much / engages in other self-destructive behaviour? You know, in a way she wouldn’t if she’d scored with a Johnny Depp or Orlando Bloom?
    Or is the chocolate a form of hamster pellet among (let’s face it) war-pigs who are too ugly (in body and soul) to secure commitment even from a beta schlub, let alone a hot alpha?

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  181. Just Saying

    “Satanism respects and exalts life. Children and animals are the purest expressions of that life force, and as such are held sacred and precious…”

    This is the exact opposite of Feminism, which advocates for the killing, and murder of children. It is interesting that many women will advocate for PETA and such organizations, while supporting the killing of unborn children.

    Personally, I tend to think a perfectly innocent child is the most precious of things – so I guess from that perspective I’m more of a Satanist then many of these women. And I could make an argument where the child’s life is more worth saving then many of these useless wastes of human-life. But that is neither here, nor there…

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