The Magic Eye of Feminism

A feminist will now explain to you why this is totally how it is:

This is what it’s like when you realize how deeply sexism and misogyny are woven into the fabric of our daily lives. And once you see it, you can’t stop seeing it. It’s everywhere.

I used to compare societal sexism to those Magic Eye pictures from the eighties. It’s hard to see the picture at first, and you have to sorta teach your eyes to make out the image hidden inside the graphical noise. But once you figure out how to see it, you can always see it. It’s always there.

You “sorta teach your eyes” to see the picture?  That is a good analogy, but perhaps not for the reasons she intended.  What you are seeing in those Magic Eye pictures is an illusion.  You can train your eyes to see a hand that is reaching out of the picture at you, but there is no hand.  You can train yourself to see a patriarchal hand of oppression pressing down on you, but there is no hand.  You have trained yourself to see something that is not there.

And you know what?  You can substitute a lot of words for “patriarchy” in that comic and it still represents the attitude that a lot of people have: try reading the comic again, but substitute a different word, any word: racism, sexism, misandry, heteronormativity,  feminine imperative, homophobia, classism, White privilege, et cetera ad nauseam.  Sometimes I’ll read the day’s headlines at a site like Feministing, and then maybe I’ll read the day’s headlines at a conservative news site like Townhall, and then maybe I’ll read the day’s headlines at one of the manosphere aggregators, and then maybe I’ll read Christianity Today, and I jump right into the debate, developing my own reactive argument, but I’m always left with a vague feeling of, “Hey wait minute!  This is all bull$h-t.  This isn’t what real, lived life is like.” 

Feminists are notorious for spotting misogyny where none exists; their Magic Eye lets it rise right out of a normal situation.  No one else can perceive it, but they can.  Homosexuals are nearly as bad, seeing homophobia in the most innocuous things.  Because we are responding to their insanity, sometimes our own arguments begin to take on a similar tone, as if we too had a Magic Eye that allows us to see oppression everywhere.

If we’ve developed a Magic Eye that lets us see our pet -ism just everywhere, in everyone, we might want to check our glasses, lest we end up sounding as crazy as feminists.

189 thoughts on “The Magic Eye of Feminism

  1. Maeve

    It is so interesting that when we have decided that a certain condition exists we manage to see it everywhere, permeating everything and everyone. And while it is easy to train ourselves to see what we now expect to see, it’s quite difficult to shutter that “magic eye”; I would daresay it’s a state of being quite close to paranoia.

  2. Farm Boy

    So what is so wrong with misogyny? A bit is needed to keep women in line; otherwise they go feral.

    [ssm: Misogyny is the hatred of women and girls. You really can’t see what’s wrong with that?]

  3. Cautiously Pessimistic

    If we’ve developed a Magic Eye that lets us see our pet -ism just everywhere, in everyone, we might want to check our glasses, lest we end up sounding as crazy as feminists.

    Which is why I am cautiously pessimistic.

    Put another way, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

    [ssm: :) ]

  4. Farm Boy

    The slutty girl in the comic strip probably likes the attention that she gets from the fellas. “Misogynize me one more time”

  5. sunshinemary Post author

    It is so interesting that when we have decided that a certain condition exists we manage to see it everywhere, permeating everything and everyone. And while it is easy to train ourselves to see what we now expect to see, it’s quite difficult to shutter that “magic eye”; I would daresay it’s a state of being quite close to paranoia.

    It could devolve into paranoia, though it probably doesn’t for most people, but I think there are two possible things that are going on.

    First, we might have a situation where it’s like when you buy a certain model and make of car; suddenly you start seeing those cars everywhere. It’s not an illusion that those cars are there; the illusion is that there are more of them. In fact, there probably aren’t more of them, they aren’t increasing, you’re just noticing them.

    Second is where we create a schema through which we view the world. I’ve heard it said that when you’re a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Similarly, when you are a feminist, everything looks like sexism. If you are a racial identity politics adherent, everything looks like white privilege. This truly is illusory because you’re distorting reality by the schema through which you view it. We all do this to some degree. We should try to be aware of it though; otherwise we really lose touch with reality.

  6. Sisyphean

    See when I read something like that I can’t help but read between the lines and see ‘I hate being female’ All the things that are traditionally associated with the feminine: caring about looking good to men, having children, taking care of household chores, being labeled a slut or hussy for being promiscuous, all these things are the true object of their hatred, not men specifically. They’ve just decided it’s men who are imposing these things on them because they can’t fathom the idea that for most women, those things feel normal, that they choose them. This is why I always check the digit ratio on a radical feminist if I can, looking for the long ring finger that means this woman got higher than usual testosterone exposure in utero, invariably it’s there.

  7. sunshinemary Post author

    See when I read something like that I can’t help but read between the lines and see ‘I hate being female’ All the things that are traditionally associated with the feminine: caring about looking good to men, having children, taking care of household chores, being labeled a slut or hussy for being promiscuous, all these things are the true object of their hatred, not men specifically.

    Yes, the one where the family is labeled Dad, Incubator, and Minions is really telling, isn’t it? Who sees family like that? Feminists. I can think of another group that would see family the same way, only the labels would be Slave, Wife, and Minions instead. Same difference of course.

    It’s really easy to lose touch with reality. Something about how the human mind operates causes us to make these categories and schemas and then shove everything into them. This is one reason public education can be a bit dangerous; who decides what categories and schemas children will be taught? He who controls public education of children controls the future.

  8. Elspeth

    So what is so wrong with misogyny? A bit is needed to keep women in line; otherwise they go feral.

    No. Having a realistic view of human nature (male and female): good. Not having women on a pedestal: good.

    Misogyny? Bad and ungodly.

  9. Just Saying

    The strip this is taken from – used to be funny in a quirky way. Since the guy got on this Feminism kick, I have stopped reading it as it’s always the same thing over and over, blah, blah, blah…

    Your “Magic Eye” analogy works well… This is one of the reasons that I adopted an over the top view – so state things that cause them (Feminists, Liberals, etc) to froth at the mouth. I used to see guys beaten up over saying innocent things. I remember there was a guy saying he liked this music group (can’t remember which one), and one of the women (who was rather cute) in the group started on him about “sure he would like them since they dress – for men!” Gasp!. So I said something like, “Look. They can sound like caterwauling cats, as long as they are scantily clad and bounce nicely I’ll enjoy watching them bounce around the stage for an hour or so.” Then walked away as she tried to process that – she was stunned. I like that… Interestingly it wasn’t too long after that she was in my bed – kinda reinforced that behavior from then on. :)

    I’ve found that women, and others do that non-sense because people let them get away with it rather than calling them on their BS…. So I call them on their BS… The women seem to not know how to process that and respond by being attracted to it – like moths to a flame…

    I’ve found in life that you’ll always find people who will see racism, sexism, etc where there is none, so I figure toss a bomb into their mists and the shock may desensitize them a bit. Plus it’s just fun to screw with their tiny minds…

  10. sunshinemary Post author

    That is a good point, JS. We are all prone to this kind of thing, but at present feminists, homosexuals, and racial identity politics adherents have no one to provide them with a reality check. We shouldn’t be arrogant, though. Any of us can fall into this. The other day someone spat the word ‘hypergamy’ at me in the most pointless, irrelevant way. It literally had zero to do with what I had just said, but the person was seeing hypergamy in literally every single that all females everywhere always do at all times. So even though I was talking about something that had nothing at all to do with dating, sex, or marriage, the person didn’t like what I had said for some reason, and his Magic Eye of Hypergamy kicked in.

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  12. The Real Peterman

    Did you know that “the past two years have brought a deluge of evidence that sexual violence is a staple of U.S. higher education”?

    https://www.change.org/petitions/white-house-task-force-to-protect-students-from-sexual-assault-hold-accountable-colleges-that-refuse-to-protect-survivors-of-sexual-violence

    What is that deluge of evidence?
    –Some drunk frat boys acted boorishly at Yale
    –A woman at Amherst College was raped, and isn’t happy with the school’s handling of it
    –37 current and former students of Swarthmore and Occidental Colleges have filed complaints with the Department of Education about how their sexual assault OR sexual harassment claims were treated

    If you don’t see that as a “deluge” then you need to train your perceptions properly!

  13. sunshinemary Post author

    Reading through the examples of “patriarchy” in that comic is really enlightening. The words “I love you, baby”? Patriarchy. Washing, cooking and cleaning? Patriarchy. (I guess no one will have to wash, cook or clean once the patriarchy is smashed?) How to please your man? Patriarchy. You must never, ever please your man. If you’ve accidentally pleased him, it is no doubt because he oppressed you into doing it.

    I actually feel rather sorry for someone who sees the world this way. This is not a schema that is conducive to happiness.

  14. everybodyhatesscott

    The Comic: I was waiting for the punchline and it never came.

    Misogyny is the hatred of women and girls. You really can’t see what’s wrong with that?
    That might be the literal definition of misogyny but the current culturally accepted definition is “Criticizing a woman for choices she makes”

  15. Licorne Negro

    “Farm Boy
    February 19, 2014 at 9:29 am
    So what is so wrong with misogyny? A bit is needed to keep women in line; otherwise they go feral.”

    Misogyny isn’t what the feminists say it is. From the feminist definition, we get the impression that misogyny is just knowing the differences between men and women, and calling them on their bad behavior. Or, for some sick feminists like the one of the cartoon, even simply a man having sexual interest in a woman who don’t like him.
    But all those things AREN’T misogyny… Misogyny is hatred of women, as a group, simply put.

  16. sunshinemary Post author

    That might be the literal definition of misogyny but the current culturally accepted definition is “Criticizing a woman for choices she makes”

    The Magic Eye of Misogyny says:

    “If you think this incredibly foolish thing that I am doing is a bad idea and say so, then it’s…misogyny! It’s not that I’m acting like a fool, it’s that you must hate me!”

  17. Farm Boy

    Incubator’s Day

    If one saw “March if the Penguins” then it is clear that the males did most of the incubating in that case. Would they be they be the ones honored on “Incubator Day”?

  18. Farm Boy

    Perhaps we should agree on the definition. It is leading to confusion.

    Since the manosphere magic eye sees the effect of feminism everywhere, maybe their defintion is the one to use.

  19. Landser

    What’s up with your boy D. today? He sounds pretty butthurt in his latest post.

    [ssm: Huh? No idea what you are talking about, Laguna Beach Fogey. Who is D.? Also, please remember to let people know if you change handles. It gets confusing otherwise, and I don't allow sock-puppeting.]

  20. feministhater

    Ah yes, there is no feminine imperative at all. It’s just an illusion. I can’t seem to stop the thinking that tells me that SSM is switching her line of thought from the issue of feminism infecting women and making them non-marriageable, with nuclear rejections and hypergamous ideals of life, and instead trying to convert it towards male failure. With those creepy boys after all.

    The problem though is that society is made and was made to protect women, to think that there is no imperative to create a society for females is stupid. Title XYTUISSD, affirmative action, out of control marriage laws, out of control spending, out of control sexual assault laws and no recourse for battered males; but I guess we better not focus on that, else we might just be crazy.

    SSM, your life might be peachy and have no problems but others do and have had problems with a system that is very real and not an illusion. Being in jail for not paying child support is not an illusion. Being in jail for being falsely accused is not an illusion.

    Just exactly what are you trying to prove?

  21. Farm Boy

    Misogyny is the hatred of women and girls. You really can’t see what’s wrong with that?]

    Once again, by the modern definition, it is “anything a guy does that a woman doesn’t like”. There many things a guy must do for the good of his family and society that women will not like.

  22. Cicero

    @ Feministhater: Have you ever thought that there might be a Biblical way out of secular legal issues?
    2 Biblical verses that had a strange hold on me is Hosea 4:6. “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: because you have forgotten the law of your God, I will also forget your children.”
    and
    Matthew 7:7 “Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.”

  23. Joseph of Jackson

    @SSM

    “I’ve heard it said that when you’re a hammer, everything looks like a nail.”

    I’m a white guy and everything just looks like it needs to be fixed.

    [ssm: "If it ain't broke, don't fit it!"]

  24. Farm Boy

    This is not a schema that is conducive to happiness.

    It works for many people on the short term. It is easy to do; no real work required. It gives them an identity. It makes them feel alive. It is a trap easy enough to fall into.

    That is why people need guidance. Unlike the commenter yesterday who more or less suggested that “we ple should do stuff until they figure things out”, this is the better approach. Otherwise, it is too easy to follow one of these “feels good at first” paths down into a rut that is inescapable.

  25. Farm Boy

    “I, like other women, thought there was something wrong with me because I didn’t have an orgasm waxing the kitchen floor.”

    Perhaps you have waxed too many better floors before. Perhaps your floor feels that you have gotten too heavy and can’t bear it anymore. Or maybe your floor has “issues”. Have you consulted a carpenter?

  26. Southern Man

    Yeah, the “Dad / Incubator” panel is just one more data point that indicates that feminists are insane. They really do not see the world the way the rest of us do. But they are utterly convinced that they, and they alone, are right.

  27. sunshinemary Post author

    your life might be peachy and have no problems but others do and have had problems with a system that is very real and not an illusion. Being in jail for not paying child support is not an illusion. Being in jail for being falsely accused is not an illusion.

    Just exactly what are you trying to prove?

    Oh definitely those things are real. I certainly never said they aren’t. Let’s look at the list of possible other words I gave (though there could be more). Some of them are real things that get way over done and some are flat out B.S.

    Patriarchy everywhere? Total B.S. Does any person who is dealing in reality believe this anymore?

    Racism? Sure, there is some. So it’s not total B.S. But people have gone off the deep end with this and it becomes the construct through which they see everything, every interaction. To them, it describes the air we breathe.

    Feminine Imperative: Sure, another real thing, more prevalent because it’s part of our biological drives. In any discussion about sex and relations between men and women, it’s going to be relevant and explains a lot about why things went so off the rails once women’s sexuality was no longer constrained very much. But I see it used in the most ludicrous ways sometimes in comment threads. The FI didn’t cause the wart on your toe, for example (yes, I’m using hyperbole, but just barely).

    Sexism? I dunno, is it real? I have my doubts.

    Misandry? Definitely a real thing, but who really hates men? The rad fems do for sure. But I’ve been called misandric just for disagreeing with someone over a minor point. When you get to that point, you’ve sort of stopped dealing in reality. Many modern women are obnoxious and self-centered, but I don’t think they actually hate men.

    Homophobia? Sure, but again it’s probably part of our biological response and it’s not exactly a phobia for most people. Do you hate gay people? I don’t. It’s not homophobia to say that you don’t want a gay man taking your son on a scouting trip and sleeping in a tent with him. It’s common sense, not hatred.

    The danger with not dealing in reality is that you can’t really solve problems effectively. I have a very specific recent example in mind, but I’ll hold back for a bit.

  28. nightskyradio

    CP – Put another way, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

    “When everybody is out to get you, paranoid is just good thinking!” – Dr. John Fever M.D.

  29. Cicero

    “I, like other women, thought there was something wrong with me because I didn’t have an orgasm waxing the kitchen floor.”

    Most likely she wasn’t doing it right.

  30. feministhater

    This also brings to question of what exactly is ‘reality’ but the prism through which we view life.

    [ssm: Yes, it's difficult to separate out reality from perception of reality of course. Yet on a purely pragmatic level, we can cope with this by not letting ourselves automatically assume a reactive, defensive posture. I'm preaching to myself here, you know. It's easy enough for me to do that, so I have to remind myself all the time not to.]

  31. feministhater

    Yes SSM, I wish you had said that in your post though, but you said ‘ALL of this is bullshit’…

    [ssm: No I didn't. Go back and read it again. That sentence follows the one about my developing a reactive argument based on what I had read.]

  32. sunshinemary Post author

    The problem with feminists (or anyone) seeing the world like this is that the problems become unsolvable. It’s never ending because everything is distorted into fitting into the belief that “Everything is the patriarchy oppressing me!” I have some sympathy for people who feel that way; I used to be a feminist and I’ve discussed this before in my phallocentrism post:

    As a young, impressionable woman, this kind of thing sort of stressed me out. If everything was phallocentric and patriarchal, how would I ever be safe in the world? If words themselves emanate from our collective phallo-biased mind, then communication and even thought – and heck, just everyday life – all become forms of rape. Being a phallo-phobic feminist feels like being emotionally raped (and not the fun kind of rape – hey now!) all day every day.

  33. Farm Boy

    When the system is such that guys do not feel safe marrying and having children, then there is no patriarchy

  34. Jim

    “This is what it’s like when you realize how deeply sexism and misogyny are woven into the fabric of our daily lives. And once you see it, you can’t stop seeing it. It’s everywhere.”

    Sure are a mountain of delusional idiots out there.

  35. Rollo Tomassi

    [ssm: No I didn't. Go back and read it again. That sentence follows the one about my developing a reactive argument based on what I had read.]

    Mary, You’re not very good at backpedaling,..

    Yes, the one where the family is labeled Dad, Incubator, and Minions is really telling, isn’t it? Who sees family like that? Feminists. I can think of another group that would see family the same way, only the labels would be Slave, Wife, and Minions instead. Same difference of course.

    Yep, because that ‘other’ group is exactly like the insane feminists group, right? Same difference, right?

    [ssm: Huh? I’m not backpedaling at all. MRAs and feminists are two sides of the same coin, and I’ve never said otherwise. I’m hardly the first person to say that either (see: Roosh).

    I get the feeling you might not have caught what I was trying to say in this post. You seem to be looking for something, some kind of criticism from me or something, that isn’t here. Maybe that’s my fault; perhaps I haven’t made it as clear as I thought I had.]

  36. sunshinemary Post author

    Oh my gosh, this ROK article is perfect! It provides the perfect example of what I was trying to say here. The author talks about a LiveScience article that is clearly trying to mash data through a Magic Eye and the output is b-ll-sh-t! Read through the LiveScience article that he quotes from and his analysis of that article. It’s spot on.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/27951/why-is-the-beautiful-female-hourglass-figure-being-attacked

    I know that some of RoK’s articles get criticized for being click-baity, but I have to say that they do come up with some really decent social commentary and analysis. This article is quite good.

  37. the bandit

    The strip this is taken from – used to be funny in a quirky way. Since the guy got on this Feminism kick, I have stopped reading it

    Ditto. Another data point for the way becoming feminist apparently requires losing your sense of humor.

  38. Bike Bubba

    Boy, I sure hate those rigid gender roles. Why does Mrs. Bubba get all the fun of carrying and feeding our children? There should be a law saying….oh never mind.

  39. Jim

    “@ Feministhater: Have you ever thought that there might be a Biblical way out of secular legal issues?”

    I’m probably not understanding what’s being said here but what the hell….

    Bible thumping won’t exactly be too effective when 12 cowardly gestapo troops in Nazi WWII style helmets and full body armor, armed with M-16s, concussion grenades, tear gas, and other implements of war come smashing down your door in order to enforce some silly feminist law.

    To SSM:

    You said:

    “As a young, impressionable woman, this kind of thing sort of stressed me out. If everything was phallocentric and patriarchal, how would I ever be safe in the world? If words themselves emanate from our collective phallo-biased mind, then communication and even thought – and heck, just everyday life – all become forms of rape. Being a phallo-phobic feminist feels like being emotionally raped (and not the fun kind of rape – hey now!) all day every day.”

    I recall years ago encountering this mentality and was simply dumbfounded. That type of thinking is so paranoid it’s disturbing. Like one poster said earlier, it must give feminists the willies when seeing the Washington National Monument.

    [ssm: This mentality is trained. I didn’t feel that way before I went to college; it was specifically trained into me by scare-mongering feminist professors.

    And my point in this post – maybe not well-stated? – was let’s not turn into them by adopting a reactive schema and scare-mongering people. Matt Forney sort of – in the jerkiest way possible – addressed this in his post from yesterday, You Talk Like a Retard. His first example, hypergamy, is perfect. Seriously now. Ease up with the Magic Eye of Hypergamy people. Matt’s right: chicks dig a guy who has something going on. They want the best man they can get. Hypergamy does not cause El Nino, bad breath or post-partum depression, okay? It’s gotten rather silly. Matt jerkily says it better than I can perhaps.]

  40. Jim

    “MRAs and feminists are two sides of the same coin”

    In what way? I don’t see MRAs wanting to create laws that basically demonize females and treat them as second class citizens. Meanwhile the feminists have so completely demonized masculinity that most men don’t even know how to be one anymore. Even worse, I could get thrown in a government cage because I broke one of their sacred dogmas or a false accusation just so happened to get thrown my way.

    [ssm: Sorry, I meant feminism in terms of what its stated goals are. MRAs are clear that they share the same goals:

    It is an error to think that an MRM luminary such as Paul Elam has it in mind to roll back women’s progress. That is simply getting him, and MRM, wrong. But it isn’t an error to understand that there are parts of the manosphere that are right out in the open with their intent to turn back women’s rights and more so – turn back the fundamental concepts in action today which we – nearly everyone – right and left – understand to be progress. Failure to listen closely, a hair-trigger to reject good faith criticism, and a wrongly tuned engine for detecting moral indecency all combine in the feminist reaction to the manosphere and MRM such that a person like Paul Elam who is subject to the vice of being unable to subordinate his distaste for political correctness to his role as a leader in a movement is mistaken for an enemy of feminism when arguably – Elam is carrying Betty Friedan’s torch in a milieu that steered left of her feminism while Friedan was pointing us right. Indeed, in her latter days it was almost as if Friedan was channeling William Buckley, having understood where she got it right and where she got something started that was beginning to go wrong, and recognizing this she stood astride history, yelling to the left, “stop!” While the left ignored her, Elam simply took up the torch and continued, in his own Texan, politically incorrect style, and kept going down the road Friedan wanted us to pioneer.

    Of course, I personally reject secular humanism and egalitarianism, therefore I reject the joint theoretical underpinnings of feminists and MRAs. Others of course may be supportive of that.]

  41. Carlotta

    Different traps and distraction for different prey.

    This is all bs.

    “Why do the heathen rage and imagine a vain thing ?”
    Asks the prophet….

    Because, they still think the battle is theirs and if they win they will be as gods.

    So I choose to be a dedicated servant about my Father’s business.

  42. alekdrake

    The incubator line always upsets me. How dare these”feminists” denigrate such a vital and inherently feminine role. Childless feminists are the ONLY ones I hear refer to mothers that way. Talk about misogyny. Why do they hate femininity so much??

  43. Carlotta

    @ Feministhater

    The national monument is phalleocentric. It is an obelisk, which is the penis of the god baal.

  44. Jim

    “And my point in this post – maybe not well-stated? – was let’s not turn into them by adopting a reactive schema and scare-mongering people.”

    Heh, true but at this point I don’t think any scaremongering about feminists is even needed. The truth of the pervasiveness of feminist dogma and its gestapo enforcers is a living, working reality (as you know). You know I can be arrested AT ANY TIME simply on a woman’s whim. That’s not being paranoid at all. It’s just an evil reality.

    With all the bizarre contradictions in the US and other Anglo nations it’s a wonder people’s heads just don’t completely explode. Lol, people are nuts.

  45. Ton

    Every woman breathing hates men. She might “love” the man/ men banging her, but all others are harnessed or hated….. misandry seems to fit.

    [ssm: I respectfully disagree, though I do think you've rather nicely demonstrated my point. I know of no women in real life who hate men. I have read plenty of rad-fem types who obviously do, though. They seem to be mentally unstable to me; their arguments make no sense. Did you read the one I linked to about PIV, which made the rounds in the sphere a couple months back? That is an extreme example of the mentality I'm talking about. Even talking to a man is a form of being "colonized" and raped according to the authoress of that post. Every experience she has with men and even with other women is filtered through her belief that all men are colonizing rapists.]

  46. Rollo Tomassi

    So I take it you don’t see the purpose of a feminized-male cartoonist taking the most common ‘Red Pill’ idiom of the last 12 years and re-appropriating it to serve his a feminine imperative ideology?

    Oh wait, you already do,..

    You can substitute a lot of words for “patriarchy” in that comic and it still represents the attitude that a lot of people have: try reading the comic again, but substitute a different word, any word: racism, sexism, misandry, heteronormativity, feminine imperative,..

    [ssm: Ah, got you. I wondered what was setting you off. Is it because I referenced the FI? But I agree with it - read through the thread until you find my comment about that. All of our discussions about sex and relationships between men and women do have to be filtered through the FI. But I've seen some crazy stuff written about that as well. It doesn't describe every aspect of reality; it describes why men and women have organized their relationships with one another the way they have. The FI also gives people an inkling as to why feminism has turned into reverse oppression, I think. I wouldn't argue with you about that.

    I actually did not know the author of the cartoon was male. I thought it was created by a woman. Frankly, I'm sort of weirded out that a man drew this. Stockholm Syndrome or something?]

  47. Cicero

    @ Jim;
    You are right you don’t understand what is being said. The truth isn’t found in the answers given but the questions asked. And men ask the wrong questions.
    “A man only begins to be a man if he ceases to whine and revile and commences to search for the hidden justice that regulates his life” James Allen
    If you understand the “hidden justice” and the Biblical verses I highlighted then you won’t have people breaking down your door or even want to lay a finger on you.

  48. Jim

    “[ssm: Sorry, I meant feminism in terms of what its stated goals are. MRAs are clear that they share the same goals: (and the rest of what you posted)”

    Ok, got it. And yeah, egalitarianism is completely idiotic. Fitting square pegs in round holes is futile. It’s like tightly hogtying some poor person and expecting them to do cartwheels. Not going to happen.

  49. Jim

    ““A man only begins to be a man if he ceases to whine and revile and commences to search for the hidden justice that regulates his life” James Allen”

    Yes, because we all know that talking about the problem is just “whining”. I’m supposed to shut up and “take it like a man”.

    “f you understand the “hidden justice” and the Biblical verses I highlighted then you won’t have people breaking down your door or even want to lay a finger on you.”

    Great, I’ll hold up a bible and magically no one will come to the door. I think I got one in the bedroom.

  50. freebird

    The point of the Washington Monument is the tallest structure in the downtown DC area,and there is a building code that says nothing can be built higher.

    Why?

    Because at the top the is a silver inlaid Cross.
    To forever remind us this Republic was built upon the Christian ethic.
    It is positioned so that the first rays of the morning Sun Illuminate it.

    Did enjoy the comic,I see the matrix code also,but it is all gynocentric and male disposability.

    What the ungodly gender queer hords want to create is an untenable situation where the only answer is to separate the sexes.

    Thus killing off reproduction and furthering their perverse preferences for a culture of death and hatred.

    They are winning!

    At this point,a Sodom and Gomorrah type correction is going to be the only viable resolution.

    It will come,putting feces into your reproductive tract will cause biological agents top mutate.
    Soon comes the super plague?

    That is the outcome,unless Christians are willing to lay down the submission to perversion known as ‘tolerance.’

    We must be Christian soldiers,and re-claim the promised land.

    Hate bounces,all the hate disseminated by ‘women’s studies’ at the colleges,we men,we FEEL that and we do not like it one bit,we shall be a people set apart from this hate,with or w/o women.

    But the women need a sea change in consciousness.

    That is going to require some real world consequences.
    Such as majority spinsterhood and struggling through life alone.

    There is the indicator of the impotent victory-men are geared to go alone,women are not.

    It may take a couple of generations,but there WILL be a corrections of sorts come along as it is must needs be.

  51. Jim

    “Every woman breathing hates men.”

    Nah. They’re just extremely unstable when left to their own devices.

    [ssm: +1000 Unstable in every sense of the word.]

  52. freebird

    “The national monument is phalleocentric. It is an obelisk, which is the penis of the god baal.”

    Baal worship was mainly defined by the burning alive of male children as a sacrifice.

    Thus,the real’Baal
    obelisk” would be the matriarchal run public schools and Ritalin drugging programs.

    The Monument was built by Masons,at the footing cornerstone is a copy of the Jeffersonian Bible.
    A Baal structure would require the body of a male boy in the footing.

    You have it all backwards,cupcake.

    Are you a public school teacher?
    lol

  53. Cicero

    @ Jim. My friend this isn’t a man up quote. Read it again this time from one Cristian man to another.
    “A man only begins to be a man if he ceases to whine and revile and commences to search for the hidden justice that regulates his life” James Allen
    Try to understand what is being said not what you initially read.

  54. Miserman

    By the thinking of feminism, the only viable solution is to subjugate all men and all male influence in order to ensure that all thought and deeds serve the interests of women, even at the expense of men.

    The Queens of Denial?

  55. Ton

    I do not know many women who do not show their disrespect and hate in a thousand small ways SSM. If you think about it, you will see it to, but you won’t think about it.

  56. Jim

    “That is the outcome,unless Christians are willing to lay down the submission to perversion known as ‘tolerance.”

    The Left says “tolerance” when they actually mean something else. What they really want is complete and total acceptance with no criticism allowed whatsoever.

  57. freebird

    Shade of Gordon Gecko from the Movie Wallstreet:
    “Inherently greed is GOOD.”

    Same voice:
    “Inherently hypergamy is GOOD.”

    Well,it does serve the one making the point,and excludes and precludes the viewpoints of others.

    And is that not want we want?
    (sarcasm)

  58. Jim

    “Try to understand what is being said not what you initially read.”

    I already know what he means. Still, I don’t want to hear anything even remotely similar to “man up”. A guy gets really tired of being told what a “real man” is after awhile. I’m at the point where I’ll just decide what it means. I don’t need any feminist or even James Allen to tell me. Thanks anyway though.

  59. Ton

    It dawned on me SSM you are only looking for the obvious. Think about the shows women like and how it portrays men, or what they say about raising boys etc etc.

    [ssm: I can't; you underestimate how pop-culturally-retarded I am. I have no television. I don't read pop media. I don't listen to pop music. I only notice these things when people directly point them out to me.

    But. Let us not fall into Betty Friedan's trap, okay? Remember from Chapter 2 of The Feminine Mystique how she wrote about the media images of women and the fictional stories about women? My response to that was, "Advertising is not reality. Fiction is not reality." And TV is not reality either. People are not necessarily anything like the characters in sit coms.]

  60. sunshinemary Post author

    I’m still trying to wrap my mind around the revelation that the comic was written by a man. I found it on a female-written feminist tumblr and had no idea where it originally came from.

    But okay. So, sometimes people take on the schema that is being used against them. For example, most feminists, who yammer on and on about racism and white privilege, are themselves white.

  61. Martel

    @ SSM: “I’ve heard it said that when you’re a hammer, everything looks like a nail.”

    I know we’ve had our disagreements recently, but this is starting to get personal.

    Nail.

    [ssm: :) Sorry, I forgot about your gravatar being a hammer.]

  62. Jim

    “Frankly, I’m sort of weirded out that a man drew this. Stockholm Syndrome or something?]”

    A lot of men have this disease I’m afraid. Why on Earth a man would pussify himself by placing a weaker being on a pedestal is amazing to me. But we already know that when you indoctrinate, punish, and yes even torture a little boy into denying his masculinity (and even treating it like it’s “got cooties” as little boys used to do to girls instead of themselves) and cultivating the feminine about himself then it’s not really that surprising after all.

  63. Cicero

    @ Jim.
    As you wish. However allow me to just leave you with this question for you to think about. And I will not reply any further on this tread.
    The question is this. What is the difference between law and legislation?
    “He who questions well learns well” “He who distinguishes well learns well””Let him who wishes to be deceived be deceived”

  64. Jim

    “He who questions well learns well” “He who distinguishes well learns well”

    Obviously.

    “Let him who wishes to be deceived be deceived”

    Feminists certainly do.

  65. FuzzieWuzzie

    One lesson about the cartoon, it does make it hard to enter into a frank discussion witha feminist.
    This may be a part of human nature. An auto parts store owner once confessed to me that driving on the freeway was astounding to him. All the cars were running. :)

  66. Bike Bubba

    SSM, regarding that Charisma article, agreed on the “mutual submission” thing, as Ephesians 5:22-6:9 spells out some Biblical hierarchies, and agreed as well that “control freak” is subject to so much interpretation as to be meaningless. Was the rest of it that bad?

    Regarding the comic, if you are trying to survive in a backward university that apparently REQUIRES students to take a women’s studies class–and my far superior alma mater, the one with the roses, did not when I was there–you’re going to do what you need to do to survive, no? Seriously, the feminist indoctrination you’ll find all around is intense. It’s no surprise that some artistic young man, maybe even an aspiring figure skater, would draw such a cartoon.

  67. Ton

    I haven’t had TV since 199….. Something. I know it has gotten worse. Yet women line up to view shows etc that do nothing but run down men. I hear women say things like all men are pigs etc but my man all the time. Or listen to them talking about rasing boys, or wanting to feed their sons into the divorce meat grinder even after knowingbthe facts…. Our little bubbles are not the world.

    Recently one of my girls went damn near on a murder rampage on my behalf. Until recently she neve noticed how much women hate etc men. Its there, its not, subtle folks are just used to a sick normal

  68. Bike Bubba

    BTW, while I could agree that the Washington Monument is a touch phallic in its effect, I’d argue that the proper comparison is not to the worship of Ba’al (or rather the various Ba’alim, they were local gods, sometimes of fertility and sometimes not), but rather to Asherah, whose shrine was a pole. And yes, I wonder if those shrines had veins carved into them and the like.

    Molech or Chemosh was the one to which babies were passed “through the fire”, if I remember correctly. As our gracious hostess commented a time back, paganism leads to “sluts in mud huts”, and after centuries of paganism, it’s worth noting that when the Assyrians and Babylonians came through, they were quickly able to destroy so much of Israel, that for many decades, honest archeologists had difficulty finding much evidence of Israelite society. They’d simply not lived according to Torah.

  69. Farm Boy

    Feminine Imperative: Sure, another real thing, more prevalent because it’s part of our biological drives. In any discussion about sex and relations between men and women, it’s going to be relevant and explains a lot about why things went so off the rails once women’s sexuality was no longer constrained very much

    If only half of the women in the first world understood this, how different would the world be?

    It would be happier and more productive I would think.

  70. sunshinemary Post author

    Our little bubbles are not the world.

    This is true. I forget that sometimes. I was reminded of it the other day when someone from Jezebel linked to one of my articles in a comment thread there. The number one objection, which was stated over and over, was “OMG she opposes women voting?! How can anyone oppose women voting? Is women not voting even a thing?!” At first, I was so startled – after all, no one I know supports female suffrage – and then I remembered, “Oh yeah. Outside of my little corner of the web and my few RL acquaintances with whom I discuss these issues, that probably is a fairly radical idea. It’s perfectly logical and normal from where I’m sitting, of course.”

  71. Zippy

    “Misogyny” is like “racism”: when the term is used to denote its actual referent it (the referent) is morally wrong. When the term is coopted by nominalists to mean “things I don’t like that are related to sex” it becomes a stepping stone up the Tower of Babel. And that is why you can’t really “take the red pill” until you recognize and reject nominalism. If you don’t reject nominalism – including when it comes from “your side” – you make yourself morally defenseless.

    [ssm: Probably this post was sort of supposed to be my not-very-intellectual way of rejecting “my side’s” nominalism. That is, in fact, what my “This is all b.s.” comment was about. Did anyone else understand what I meant by that? Does no one else ever feel that way? Be honest now, people. I know we are more right than everyone else, and that we are more right than we are wrong, but don’t you ever feel that we are – why am I having such a hard time communicating this? – too…like reactive or something? Like we miss chunks of reality? Zippy, what exactly is nominalism again? I mean, I think I know – it’s like saying things can be reduced down to some essence that describes everything. Right? Ack. I know what I’m trying to say, but I don’t think anyone else does.]

  72. Farm Boy

    Every woman breathing hates men

    That is a bit much Ton. My Mom loved my Dad. There are other marriages like that. Maybe not so many in the first world, but they are there.

  73. sunshinemary Post author

    I haven’t had TV since 199….. Something.

    OK, there is something important here. (Sometimes I figure stuff out by writing about it; I write my way to understanding, as it were, so bear with me if this is convoluted.)

    OK, virtually everyone in American has multiple televisions. The average American watches something like six hours of TV a day.

    Yet so many of the people who comment on this and similar blogs tell me that they too do not have television. It’s like every person in the U.S. who doesn’t have TV – all 30 of us – comment in the reactionary/mano/traditionalist/etc spheres.

    It’s almost like…TV (mass media) impedes your ability to properly perceive reality. It’s almost like you have to double or triple your efforts to understand reality if you’re immersed in TV/mass media-land.

    Hmm.

    Edit: Which means when Betty Friedan writes a book that tells women they are unhappy, and the TV and magazines and other mass media take up the cry, it’s going to be harder for women to perceive that they were actually happy enough.

  74. Farm Boy

    I was so startled – after all, no one I know supports female suffrage

    Pauline Kael, is that you?

    [ssm: THANK you; I was trying and trying to remember her name.

    For those who don’t know, Pauline Kael said,

    I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don’t know. They’re outside my ken. But sometimes when I’m in a theater I can feel them.

    But the quote is often mistakenly written as “No one I know voted for Nixon” and is used to describe a person who thinks his or her bubble is how the whole world is.]

  75. Farm Boy

    I’m still trying to wrap my mind around the revelation that the comic was written by a man.

    Well, it doesn’t take much intellectual horsepower to think like a feminist.

  76. Chris

    Hey SSM.

    If the world is going crazy, then making a bubble for your family is an active duty. Just know you are doing it. Wait for the educators to start telling you that not sending your kids to feminist studies is child abuse…

    (And I think the people who train in your ice skating rink did very well at the Olympics. Medal well. Was watching the ski version of survivor — the super G, where a large proportion DNFed)

    [ssm: It was so exciting to watch the ice dancing! My ice-skater daughter was thrilled that both the gold and silver medalists train at the same rink where she skates.]

  77. Farm Boy

    Which means when Betty Friedan writes a book that tells women they are unhappy, and the TV and magazines and other mass media take up the cry, it’s going to be harder for women to perceive that they were actually happy enough.

    Kind of like how it was with “gay rights” a generation later.

  78. sunshinemary Post author

    I’m reading about nominalism now on wikipedia.

    A fascinating little bit here:

    Applied Nominalism redirects the thesis of nomalism to the highest level of self actualism whereby all individuals are equal and collectively creates community actualism where everyone is without hierarchy.

  79. Jim

    “Well, it doesn’t take much intellectual horsepower to think like a feminist.”

    Nope. Just a mountain of female hormones and other emotion-related weaknesses. Feminism is just wall-to-wall emotion. No logic. No reason. No thinking. Women actually get a “high” from emotion as one might after snorting cocaine or some other chemical stimulant.

  80. sunshinemary Post author

    I am almost certain now that what was bothering me and what I was trying to explain in this post had to do with nominalism, only I did not know it when I wrote the post.

    Writing my way into understanding something is really pretty effective, and my comment threads, though they annoy me to the point of despair, are a critical source of clarification and information, which is why I continue to have open commenting, even though about once a week I melodramatically declare to my husband, “I’m closing comments forever!

    Edited to add: Writing one’s way to understanding is what introverts do, and it’s one time I’m glad to be introverted because extroverts talk their way into understanding, which is doubly annoying because you can’t help but hear them talk, whereas it’s easy enough not to look at my blog posts if they annoy you.

  81. Bike Bubba

    The definition of applied nominalism reminds me of Animal Farm for some obvious reason. Some of us will be more equal than others, of course.

    Regarding not having a TV, it’s more common than you’d think, especially among homeschoolers. A study from 2011 indicates about 3.3% of American households–a bit more than that in millions–does not own a TV.

  82. Farm Boy

    even though about once a week I melodramatically declare to my husband, “I’m closing comments forever!”

    And he ignores your drama.

  83. SirNemesis

    Contrasbt with the real red pill. I didn’t have to sorta train my eyes to see it. I had always noticed certain inconsistencies with the blue pill worldview, and at some point I realized there was a pattern behind it all. As soon as I stopped ignoring red pill truths everything was there to be observed clear as day.

  84. Just Saying

    @alekdrake: The incubator line always upsets me.

    Feminists HATE motherhood since they know that it is something they will never take joy in experiencing – or never experience – either thought angers them to the point of frothing at the mouth. Also, pregnancy is one of those definitively female things they hate. Feminists are the only true misogynists you’ll ever meet, as they hate everything female and feminine… Why else would they hold up everything male as being the ideal? Look at everything they preach – it basically says women need to act like men in every way. Why would that be if they didn’t hate everything female?

    If you want to see misogyny look at the words Feminists use to describe women who act feminine… It is very telling…

  85. Farm Boy

    If you want to see misogyny look at the words Feminists use to describe women who act feminine

    They do it because “feminine”,is a social construct that needs to be stamped out.

    But it keeps growing back, like a weed from their perspective.

  86. Michelle

    I make a point of actively warning my children that most people will disagree with them and think they’re strange. We don’t have a TV, and 99% of the people we associate with don’t either.

    I hope our bubble isn’t too thick, but I really can’t see a better alternative. Our culture is unacceptable. It’s easy to forget how widely divergent my beliefs are, so I make a point of staying in touch with at least one feminist friend. I don’t want to forget what my kids will be facing when they grow up.

  87. Hipster Racist

    Yep – this is exactly why I chose this handle, and why I proudly call myself a racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, etc. I’m taking it back – just like black people “reclaimed” the “N Word.” Since I’m a straight, white male, I will always been called a racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, misogynist with thin privilege.

    Even if I gay married a mestizo transsexual, adopted biracial children, and cut off my own leg, I’d still be accused of some sort of appropriation of the cultural capital of peoples of color and perpetuation of heteronormative privilege and ableism promoting restrictive socially constructed gender roles, constantly engaged in micro-aggression and the misogynist intersectionality of oppression.

    It didn’t take too long to realize that it’s not my behavior or my ideals that they hate – it’s me. They hate me for who I am. They hate me because I have white skin, I have a penis, and I’m sexually attracted to women.

    I can never win at this game, so I stopped playing.

    Political correctness is not like a religion – it *is* a religion.

    In fact, I might drop the “hipster” altogether and starting using a new handle: RacistSexistHomophobicNaziWhoWantsToKillSixMillionJewsAndRapeWomenChainedToMyStoveWhileBeatingCripples.

    Not sure it has the same ring to it, though.

  88. Rollo Tomassi

    Law 18

    Do Not Build Fortresses to Protect Yourself – Isolation is Dangerous

    The world is dangerous and enemies are everywhere – everyone has to protect themselves. A fortress seems the safest. But isolation exposes you to more dangers than it protects you from – it cuts you off from valuable information, it makes you conspicuous and an easy target. Better to circulate among people find allies, mingle. You are shielded from your enemies by the crowd.

  89. lauratheringmistress

    @SSM,

    You are so right about introverts writing their way into understanding and extroverts talking their way into understanding.

    Most of my disagreements with my husband boil down to this. He’s an extrovert who talks through conundrums and I’m an introvert who needs to write them out. It took him a while to realize that if i had something important to say, it was easier to write him an email. And it took me a while to figure out that he was being frustrated that I wouldn’t just “think out loud”.

    I read that Matt Forney post. Brilliant. I’ve been irked by the hypergamy thing for a while now. If it boils down to “girls will go for the better deal”, that’s just rational human action. Of course people want the best deal possible. It only becomes a problem between the sexes when we treat relationships like returnable goods. And assertions of higher status cease to have meaning when there are multiple avenues for establishing status. Why else do aristocratic women run off with penniless poets? Or for that matter, why does a queen leave her husband and baby behind and run off with a cowardly younger son of a king with no chance of inheritance? (Helen & Paris for those not following.) I think the Greeks had it better when they described sexual attraction as a kind of madness from the gods. Not, by the way, a good thing for establishing stable marriages as far as they were concerned.

    I get your point overall though. A tool is useful insofar as it is appropriate to its task. When you start applying it to everything, you rapidly cease to have an effective or appropriate tool.

  90. Jim

    “Political correctness is not like a religion – it *is* a religion.”

    BINGO! I always pound on this. It is a sick, twisted secular religion that is oppressive as any traditional theocracy. It has it’s own theological dogma, punishments, and gods. It’s been said that liberals are tolerant. That’s true….until you disagree with them. Then the witch hunts and inquisition tools come out.

    They’re hypocrisy is astonishing.

  91. Farm Boy

    Kind of a late start.

    No carousel back then. Just were no eligble guys in the sticks. She came to Chicago and met my dad.

  92. Jim

    “No carousel back then. Just were no eligble guys in the sticks. She came to Chicago and met my dad.”

    Yeah I know. That’s why it seemed kind of late. Guess it was just in the cards so to speak.

  93. Farm Boy

    I’ve been irked by the hypergamy thing for a while now. If it boils down to “girls will go for the better deal”, that’s just rational human action. Of course people want the best deal possible

    But it is a often question of taking the best deal possible, or holding out for the best. And doing unsavory things trying to get the best.

    Guys are more practical. They have to be. Otherwise they are out on their rear.

  94. Bike Bubba

    Rollo’s comment about building fortresses reminds me of the Swedish boast “others protect their men with walls, Swedes protect their walls with men”, as well as Plato’s teaching that the study of history is the heart and soul of the dialectic–ability to reason. To isolate yourself from the course of history is to commit intellectual suicide, more or less.

    Now that doesn’t men that my family doesn’t pick and choose when we, like Gustavus Adolphus or the Czar, will offer battle; we can and do. But we realize that knowing what the culture is about is a key part of preparing–as some chaps who invaded Russia learned to their distress.

  95. lauratheringmistress

    True enough. I speak from the point of view of a woman who married the first man who asked her. So I don’t quite get those who are holding out for a chance romance with royalty while on vacation in Spain.

    I am left with the question though if whether it is in fact better for either sex to marry a bad match rather than remain single. To take a lierary example, Mr Darcy may never have proposed, but it was still better for her to reject Mr Collins’ proposal. I can’t help but think that if one is capable of living chastely as a single, that is better than marrying someone unsuitable.

  96. Scott

    Hipster Racist. Your description is essentially the position I have taken as well. I post even the most modest articles from Townhall, Reason, or whatever milque-toast “libertarian/right” websites on my FB page and wait for the cries from my leftist/PC friends of “racist/sexist/homophobe/intolerant/etc” to come pouring in. I just let it wash over me like the sweet cleansing water of baptism itself. I am immune to it now.

  97. Scott

    [ssm: Probably this post was sort of supposed to be my not-very-intellectual way of rejecting "my side's" nominalism. That is, in fact, what my "This is all b.s." comment was about. Did anyone else understand what I meant by that? Does no one else ever feel that way? Be honest now, people. I know we are more right than everyone else, and that we are more right than we are wrong, but don't you ever feel that we are - why am I having such a hard time communicating this? - too...like reactive or something? Like we miss chunks of reality? Zippy, what exactly is nominalism again? I mean, I think I know - it's like saying things can be reduced down to some essence that describes everything. Right? Ack. I know what I'm trying to say, but I don't think anyone else does.]

    I, too have grappled with this concept for a bit. It appears to be related to another he writes about—positivism.

    Looking at this post and filtering it through the comments on nominalism, it stands to reason that it is also related to “overgeneralizing” and perspective. If I am standing on the ground, I look out before me at the flat ground and conclude that the Earth is flat. In order to make the case that it is indeed spherical I need to amass a huge amount of complex evidence to show that it is so (Photos from space, etc). In other words, the “truth” is the more difficult to believe. It is a case where Occams razor, for example fails, (when applied in an information vacuum) because a flat earth is/was reasonable at one point.

    Even so, I have not yet even come close to exhaustively describing what the roundness of the Earth really is, what it means or what it’s implications for life here are.

    I think what you are asking the reader to do in this post is consider a great many things before concluding that you have arrived at the Truth of the current experience vis a vis MMP/SMP issues. Even if that means challenging your own approach to processing the information itself—which is what nominalism and positivism are.

  98. Hipster Racist

    @Scott

    Ironically – or maybe not – I rarely have non-whites giving me guff over my handle and blog. It’s virtually all other white people, essentially playing this status game over who is the “least racist.”

    I don’t think I’ve ever had a Jew call me a “neo-Nazi” – only other Christians. The first time I was attacked as a “misogynist” – it was by a “male feminist.” The only people who ever called me “homophobic” – were straight white women. The infamous “Not Fair” “white privilege” campaign at the Wisconsin universities recently was whiter than a Klan rally.

    It’s a class thing – it’s whites competing for status. That’s why the image of a “racist” in the media is always some toothless hillbilly living in a trailer park, and that’s why middle class whites – and those striving to be upper middle class – adopt what they think are the attitudes of the upper classes.

    But I spent most of my adult life rubbing elbows with Upper Middle Class White and Jewish liberals in Manhattan. They are as “racist” as anyone, they just know how to use code words – and how. I’ve had serious discussions about “race realism” with these types where anyone who didn’t know the code would think we were talking about the weather.

    “Hypocrisy” isn’t quite the word to describe these types. A better word is “chutzpah.”

  99. Zippy

    Sunshine:
    In practical terms you can think of nominalism as the idea that words are just arbitrary labels (names, thus “nominalism”) that we use to lump things together for our own purposes. It denies essentials in favor of viewing the world as just atomized things – a “box of tools”, if you will – that we can lump together as we see fit.

    As a consequence people bandy about labels like “marriage,” “sluttiness”, “liberalism”, and “Game” as if the underlying referents have no essence but are just arbitrary lumpings together of similar things. So we call certain relationships “marriage” even though they are not, as the essence of marriage requires, indissoluble.

    Nominalism can be viewed as using language in an attempt to redefine reality as we see fit rather than accepting reality as it actually is in essence.

    So nominalism and anti-essentialism are closely related commitments, where the former is focused on naming. “Pro choice” is a good example of nominalist language in practical use, since it attempts to put a positive spin on child murder by ignoring the essence of the choice being made.

  100. Eidolon

    @FB

    As a techie nerd I’ve always been a gamer. This feminist stuff wrt gaming really gets to me.

    First off they have and have always had the causality backwards. The assertion that women don’t play video games because men act a certain way is absurd; men are free to act that way because women don’t play video games. If they did video games would have a totally different character.

    Currently people are trying to pretend that there are getting to be a large number of female gamers, but this is not true and will almost certainly never be true. They’re counting people who play Angry Birds on their iPhones, which has no bearing on what kind of games people are playing on their Xbox Ones and PS4s. I’ve observed this with my wife — “real” video games baffle her and get a disinterested response, but if she can play by touching things with her finger she’s interested. It seems to be an investment thing, the more investment required for understanding and mastery, the less the interest. I don’t think women get the same sense of accomplishment for mastering a new thing that men get, so it lacks most of the enjoyment factor for them. As well, women tend not to want to get involved with technology for its own sake, which is a big part of gaming (just getting everything set up and playing through the TV and speakers is something I’ve rarely seen a woman be able to do, or be interested in doing).

    On top of that, female gamers are fully accepted as long as they can play as “one of the guys.” If a group is 90%+ male it’s going to have a very male character. If you can’t handle that then just don’t play online. If you’re playing a game that involves shooting other people in the face, there’s going to be a lot of testosterone flowing. If you can’t handle people insulting you then you probably shouldn’t play Call of Duty. Women join, get insulted for being female, and think they’re all a bunch of sexists — not noticing that other guys got insulted for being Irish or short or stupid or Asian or young or old or squeaky-voiced or bad at the game or any other obvious trait. Sure, they’re jerks sometimes, and I usually mute them, because I’m a grown-up who can handle it if anonymous people online are mean.

    I wonder too what these people think other professional sports are like. Do they think football players don’t call each other every nasty name in the world? Is it worse because the insults are more audible from gamers? Why should trash talk offend anyone, and especially why is it offensive from some people in a sports context and not others? The whole thing seems to be one more attempt to take something men enjoy, especially those awkward “creepy” guys feminists hate and want to stay away from them, and make it into another “safe space” for women who will never, ever actually take part in it.

  101. Ton

    Good robust family and good to hear Farm Boy

    Back when the West was sexist, racists etc we were as a people’s strong, growing in power, full of achievements and purpose. Now we are supposed to be none of those things and we are dying as a people. This is no accident

  102. Zippy

    Scott:
    Ironically William of Ockham, he of the famous Razor, is also (at least arguably) the philosophical father of nominalism.

    Positivism and nominalism are kind-of related, inasmuch as both involve antiessentialist confusions about language and reality; but if I started pontificating on these things in the abstract here I’m certain that all eyes would glaze over.

  103. nightskyradio

    Forget about online video games, let’s go back to Old Skool Gaming as we briefly derail off-topic a bit.

    I’ve been hanging out at gaming clubs off and on since the late 80s, which mainly focused on board/card/dice games and role-playing games (think Dungeons & Dragons).* There were almost always a few women around, but not many. Several of the ones who did show up were there with a boyfriend.

    The only game that brought out any significant number of women was Vampire: The Masquerade, and even that didn’t attract many women until it went from being a tabletop game like D&D to a LIve Action Role Playing game. True, a lot of these women were there because their boyfriends brought them along, but some stayed even after breaking up with said boyfriend, and a handful found the game on their own.** I noticed a lot of guys showing up for these that had never been to the game clubs before, as well.

    After a little while, I figured some things out – roughly half of the guys and almost 90% of the girls had no interest in gaming beyond this LARP thing. The gamer half concentrated on strategy, tactics, horror, storytelling, etc etc. The non gamer half of guys, and virtually all the girls, ignored most of the key elements of the game, zeroing in on just one – Status. It was all about status and position for them.

    These status-oriented players had some strong commonalities – the girls were often bitchy and catty, and the guys were usually intellectual types, ranging from kinda effete to flat-out gay. I dropped out of Larps fairly quickly, and from what I’ve heard in the years since, it’s almost all a huge drama-fest worthy of anything found on the internet.

    Even now, I hang out with a board game club, and there aren’t many females there.

    Funny thing, though… I’ve never heard of the lack of women at game clubs like this as the result of some oppressive patriarchy. I guess there’s just no status in winning a game of Civilization.***

    * I never much cared for D&D. Now, Cyberpunk 2020… that was something else.

    ** As far as I know. They could well have been attending some other game with a guy, broken up, and then come to the local game on their own.

    *** No, not that one. Before that – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization_%28board_game%29

  104. FuzzieWuzzie

    In going back to the original post, looking at that panel in the cartoon with Dad, Incubator, and minions, it does reveal a lot. Feminism is an out and out war on motherhood, all else follows from that. Given that nature lends a lot of positive reinforcement to motherhood, it is, secondarily, a war on nature. Thirdly, a mother’s best ally is a beta provider husband. Notice how the current marketplace crushes him?

  105. nightskyradio

    SSM – I’m still trying to wrap my mind around the revelation that the comic was written by a man.

    You have been out of the popular cultural loop for quite a while, haven’t you? Pick almost any webcomic and you’ll find the same thing.

  106. Novaseeker

    I wonder too what these people think other professional sports are like. Do they think football players don’t call each other every nasty name in the world? Is it worse because the insults are more audible from gamers? Why should trash talk offend anyone, and especially why is it offensive from some people in a sports context and not others?

    Oh, people do dislike trash talk from athletes as well — look at Richard Sherman. Athletes get away with it because no-one can generally hear what they are saying, but in reality athletes are trashing each other all the time. Constantly. Teams line up on the LOS, and the trash starts to fly, lineman to lineman. It’s a part of competition among men — a psych part.

    As for gaming, I have to say, men would be better off staying as far away from gaming as they can possibly get if they want to be attractive to women. Hobbies are fine, but not gaming — gaming is too nerdy — unless you want to limit yourself to the tiny minority of women who are also actually gaming nerds, or the somewhat larger yet still small group of women who are tolerant of gaming, yet not gamers — there are women who are tolerant of some degree of nerdiness in men in other areas (although always best to avoid nerdiness entirely and just embrace masculine mastery), but gaming is snake oil to a huge majority of women — best off just drop it and find another hobby.

  107. Farm Boy

    Eidolon,

    It is terrible that guys just don’t play “The Sims”. This is not how it should be. There should be rules and things that make it so that guys will be encouraged to do so.

  108. Farm Boy

    Ton,

    My dad grew up out west, with the western ethic, which was mainly derived from the Scotch-Irish. He would look at something and effectively say, “This is f’ing stupid”. Once when a township inspector was mindlessly giving him a hard time, he lured him into “perk test” pit and pulled up the ladder.

  109. Farm Boy

    Given that nature lends a lot of positive reinforcement to motherhood, it is, secondarily, a war on nature

    Notice that feminists are often “greens” also. Sometimes nature is bad in their minds.

    Perhaps carrying and giving birth to a baby should be designated as “organic”

  110. nightskyradio

    Farm Boy – Perhaps carrying and giving birth to a baby should be designated as “organic”

    Non-technological reproduction contains artifacts generated via the hardware (i.e., Dad) and results in copy errors within the replicate.

    Now, if they could pop out perfectly identical little clones of themselves, they would probably be solipsistically ecstatic.

  111. FuzzieWuzzie

    Farm Boy, “Organic” cheered me up. We should have labels printed and place them on foreheads. This will sell!

    Nightskyradio, little clones of the mothers is entirely possible. It’s called parthenogenesis.

  112. Eidolon

    @Novaseeker

    Eh, I had plenty of success just by not defining myself as a “gamer” in public. It’s just a thing I do sometimes. I don’t talk about it in mixed company.

    After I learned some game I realized that nerdy pursuits are not much of a problem as long as you’re confident and you don’t force people to accept them in order to know you. I’m a typical nerd in terms of the stuff I like (comics, video games, sci-fi, programming) but I don’t have to be socially awkward about it.

    Any masculine interest doesn’t do much for a woman; they don’t care about fantasy football or working on cars any more than they care about video games. The difference is that people into those things are usually more confident and don’t bring them up all the time in awkward ways. Once I realized that, being a nerd didn’t hold me back with women at all.

  113. Ton

    I have to disagree. I received tons of positive flirty feedback from women because I can repair cars, my home, hunt etc etc. It’s literary chick crack.

  114. Eidolon

    @Ton

    Is that because they care about the pursuit itself, or because your stories were exciting and your passion for doing your own thing was clear?

    Granted, hunting, shooting, and a few other pastimes are manly in themselves, and women would find the idea of them interesting. But the reality of those things still probably wouldn’t interest women a whole lot. (Much of hunting is just sitting still waiting for a deer to come, right?) My understanding is that they respond to your confidence that those things are worthwhile, and the fact that you’re focusing your time and energy in directions that matter to you rather than devoting them all to women.

    Some things are obviously more conducive to having cool stories to tell, and those would probably be a net positive. My point is that once I learned some game I didn’t have to give up hobbies that aren’t generally considered attractive by women, and they weren’t a negative for the women I dated. If they were into me they accepted that whatever I liked was worth doing, even if they had no interest in it themselves. In fact it may act as a way of demonstrating that I was going to do what I wanted regardless of how they felt about it, in which case it may actually have been a slight positive.

  115. FuzzieWuzzie

    Farm Boy, Maeve had one comment early on, Songtwoeleven had two, and SSM has a normal complement for her. Something must be up. Hmmm…

  116. Farm Boy

    SSM has a normal complement for her.

    More than normal, I would think. Perhaps there are “organic” reasons.

  117. FuzzieWuzzie

    Ton, it occurs to me that you may be a natural Alpha. So with you, women are always looking for reasons to accept or enhance their perception of you in their eyes.
    For betss, it works the other way.

  118. Aaron

    On the big problem is mass politics annexing organic interpersonal politics. Feminism would be so much less of a problem if it merely stopped at laws. Feminism is absolute, it wants to continuously politically mobilize the public to get incensed over the color of toys that boys and girls play with, etc. Most people are apolitical and would rather just live their lives.

  119. Jim

    “Farm Boy, could we big, mean boys have chased all the girls out of the playground? I hope not.”

    It’s that innate patriarchal oppressive nature of ours. We just can’t help ourselves.

    *Meanwhile the delicate little women are boohooing their heads off wondering why men are just so mean*
    :P

  120. Clarence

    The name of that web comic is Sinfest, and yes, it has been for probably about the past two years,(meaning the guy is serious about the change) radical feminist propaganda. Here’s an article that explains the history. Used to be a rather good comic, when he had his ‘conversion’, he had to retcon things and change the very essence of many of his characters. And of course many people have been driven away.

    http://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Sinfest

  121. Chris

    Hi Clarence. Not only does he preach propaganda, but he requires permish to use his stuff… which is creepy because one of the reasons webcomix exist is to be shared, folded, and mutilated into other things.

    I have nothing against propaganda, but can it be witty? This is paraniod.

    Fuzzie, there was a big bear, a large weight, ave greek principle and Scott talking… and the girls have gone. But their brains melted yesterday…

    I just (stupidly) decided to google “MRS degree” and stumbled on this article: “Should girls go to college to get their MRS degrees?” I probably should have read the blog header (“Christian, wife, and mother. Against feminism and female suffrage. Pro-family and patriarchy. Imperfectly trying to live out Ephisians 5:22-33 and Titus 2:3-5.”) before I started reading the article, but I didn’t. Now I want brain bleach.

    The strong independant wimmenz cannot handle our charming and gracious hostess. If they see us, they will panic….

  122. thecivilizationalist

    @FeministHater – It’s a mistake to define yourself as anti anything. That’s the mistake leftists have made by defining themselves as anti conservatives. Thus, they reflexively oppose everything conservatives say. They get into the mindset of seeing evil everywhere. The saying “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” applies here. Rather, instead of defining yourself as a warrior against perceived evil, define yourself on the basis of foundational truths. Those who slay monsters should take care that they do not become one themselves.

    For instance, the feminine imperative is really part of the natural imperative for survival. Men protect and provide for women. In exchange, women honor and submit to men. Feminists broke the natural contract, but that doesn’t mean that the contract is inherently evil. If all men walk away from the feminine imperative, extinction will result.

  123. freebird

    I learn by writing also.
    After making this morning’s post,I realized my mistake between
    Baal worship and Moleck (Molack) worship.
    I have studies so many of the ancient religions they all tend to blur together at times.

    If I recall correctly (that is questionable) the whole Ba’al thing was hitting it’s hayday at the same time the Lilith worship was running.
    Along with some really interesting Norse Paganism,which rituals thereof are the pre-cursors to many modern day Xian events..

    The whole Valkyrie thing is fascinating:
    Large breasted flying Norse women/gargoyle hybrids raining down death from above!

    That is something to consider while nodding off tonight,what sort of a metaphor is that?

    P.S
    It is true what I said about the Washington Monument,and I have always wanted to read a Jeffersonian Bible,they were issued to all new Congressmen up until around 35-50 years ago……!!!

    Basically,Jefferson clipped out pages of the Book to re-establish proper linear time framing,which helps greatly with context.
    Also,he removed a lot of stuff he felt was fluff,like the lineages in Chronicles.
    (Who cares?)

  124. ray

    “MRAs and feminists are two sides of the same coin, and I’ve never said otherwise. I’m hardly the first person to say that either (see: Roosh).”

    Oh, well, if your authority is the great Roosh — PUA Extraordinaire! — who could possible argue?

    And you talk about OTHER people being extreme? lol

    You are a Christian, remember? Surely you can find a better guide for discriminating between good and evil.

    I’m a servant of Jeshua, not an MRA, but MRAs and feminists are not the same, and any fair-minded person can see it

    Your need for their equivalence is revealing. There is no doubt that women (and many men) around the western world are aware that the matriarchal structure of modern societies has been exposed, and that many men and boys are not happy, and that changes are inevitable.

    Little wonder that the inceptive, yet certain, movement of men to correct the FI takeover of the West is met with attempts at stunting via indirect (and thus deniable) shaming.

    As evidenced, you cannot keep your personal biases and interests in check, nor your will to manipulate men, and that is one reason why the LORD created you to be ruled over by men.

  125. ray

    “Of course, I personally reject secular humanism and egalitarianism, therefore I reject the joint theoretical underpinnings of feminists and MRAs. Others of course may be supportive of that.]”

    MRAs are not all humanists and egalitarians. There is no “theoretical underpinning” common to them, except the ones you insist on pinning upon them. P.S., love how you establish that non-equivalence, then pre-tar any “others” who might be unwilling to go along with your false premesis!

    Christ is an MRA. The rights of men come from him through Father. Not via satan’s governments.

    All the (real) prophets were MRAs. They weren’t PUAs and they weren’t equivalent to feminists. Deal with it.

  126. hoellenhund2

    „I can think of another group that would see family the same way, only the labels would be Slave, Wife, and Minions instead. Same difference of course.[…] MRAs and feminists are two sides of the same coin, and I’ve never said otherwise. I’m hardly the first person to say that either (see: Roosh).[…]I get the feeling you might not have caught what I was trying to say in this post. You seem to be looking for something, some kind of criticism from me or something, that isn’t here.[…] meant feminism in terms of what its stated goals are. MRAs are clear that they share the same goals.”

    Yeah. Criticism apparently „isn’t here”, even though you just stated that those who promote men’s rights are the equivalent of the worst group of vermin ever to defile this planet. And now you promote the idea that those who examine the Feminine Imperative are also the same as those feminist vermin who never ever said anything about men that was true. Do you actually expect to be taken seriously when making BS statements like that? By anyone other than your tradcon sisterhood, that is? MRAs „share the same goals”? Really?

    [ssm: This isn't my interpretation; it's what MRAs themselves say. Unless they are lying, I'll assume that what they say their movement is about - full and total equality between males and females in all areas with no distinction made between the sexes - is what it is really about.]

    You mean they want to ruin innocent women’s lives for baseless reasons such as the „preponderance of evidence” and „the interests of the children”?

    You’re not fooling anyone with your tradcon nonsense.

  127. hoellenhund2

    “Men protect and provide for women. In exchange, women honor and submit to men. Feminists broke the natural contract, but that doesn’t mean that the contract is inherently evil. If all men walk away from the feminine imperative, extinction will result.”

    Nonsense. There was no “contract”. Nobody asked men’s opinion about this. They were never given the option of signing the dotted line. They were manipulated into becoming pack mules and threatened with all sorts of retribution if they refuse to do so. The true extent of women’s moral, physical and intellectial limitations was never revealed to them. They were basically browbeaten into buying depreciating assets at a laughably inflated cost.

    [ssm: That's right. For all eternity, women have somehow forced men against their will into this role. You don't have the choice not to marry and you never have. All men everywhere at all times are forced against their will into slavery for women who sit with man-slaves fanning them and man-slaves feeding them grapes and man-slaves rubbing their feet. Yep, you've hit the nail on the head, HH, with your description of reality here.]

    Extinction is already happening all around the world, in case you didn’t notice. Look at Japan, Germany and other depopulating countries. You know why this is happening? Everything is oriented to serve the feminine imperative.

  128. hoellenhund2

    “gaming is snake oil to a huge majority of women — best off just drop it and find another hobby”

    Assuming, of course, that such run-of-the-mill Western broads have so much potential to offer to you in terms of sex and companionship that it outweighs the cost of completely abandoning a hobby that you’d otherwise enjoy. Which is questionable at best. If a broad is so wedded to the Feminine Imperative that she rejects a man for the sole reason that he has a hobby that involves being a part of a pretty much all-male virtual community and developing nerdy skills, what’s the point of having a relationship with her, really? She’s only good for casual sex, if that. And in that case, it doesn’t matter that you do gaming. She doesn’t even have to know.

  129. Ton

    Beta is as beta does Fuzzie. The only time I was not popular with women was men I listened to the advice o women, Christians, pastors etc.

    Women as a rule react positively to overt masculinty but these things are skills anyone can learn. Heck from your local community college more often then not and they are the kind of hands on things that speak to the masculine soul. Which is much better then a woman’s fickle regard. Women will fall into your frame once it’s sufficiently masculine. Anything you do that doesn’t require strength, skill, pain and risk is not going to enhance your soul or frame.

  130. Cautiously Pessimistic

    @nsr- I never much cared for D&D. Now, Cyberpunk 2020… that was something else.

    We play Cyberpunk 2013 at this table, junior. Now pick up your dice and toddle off. (He said with love)

  131. Scott

    Actually, I did. But used the process of elimination. I was pretty sure I had heard most of the other stories. It was just a really good guess.

  132. Just Saying

    @Clarence

    Thanks for the link. I didn’t know about the 08 thing… I thought it was a cute strip and actually bought one of his early books for my coffee table – I have many things from the civil war, to a book with a blast-radius calculator for nuclear yields, that is almost impossible to find since everyone steals the calculator – it was published in the 60′s. Anyway – I like to have conversation starters – Sinfest was one that I thought was cute, I have a bet going with one of my girls that says he’s involved with a feminist that does things he never imagined – since that is the only reason I have ever known a man to go off the deep-end for, and lose it so completely. (Look for the woman… – Cherchez la femme…)

  133. Maeve

    SSM Said:

    “Yet so many of the people who comment on this and similar blogs tell me that they too do not have television. It’s like every person in the U.S. who doesn’t have TV – all 30 of us – comment in the reactionary/mano/traditionalist/etc spheres.”

    Waving hand back and forth furiously – I has television and cable and ROKU (so I can effortlessly stream Netflix & Amazon) and on Monday night watched THE ENTIRE 3 SEASONS OF SHERLOCK with A&I. Now must catch up on many seasons of “Grimm” and “Dr. Who”.

  134. Just Saying

    @Maeve: Now must catch up on many seasons of “Grimm” and “Dr. Who”.

    I almost never watch things in real-time anymore (hate commercials), I have everything stored on disk – ripped from the DVR. I almost never watch shows till I know they go at least a couple of seasons – since every time I find something interesting it gets cancelled, and I find that annoying and a waste of my time. So unless I know that it has a couple of seasons under it’s belt, I don’t bother wasting my time with it.

    Except Game of Thrones – they knew they would lure the guys in with hot-chicks with no clothing that first season… Now not so much… But the first season – definitely designed to get the attention of men… That’s also why I recommend, “Rome” – hot women and a great story line – pretty much everything a man could want in a TV series…

    @Maeve: we have many remotes and I know how to use them all

    Wow… That is quite a feat… Whenever I have company they tell me what they want to watch and I do it since i have switches, routers, and remotes for pretty much everything. And the one that rules-them-all is rather opaque, since it is programmed. Heck, I even have my keyboard mapped so that keys don’t do what most people think they should – don’t even try to send E-mail. I like things my way – probably why I am as I am…

  135. sunshinemary Post author

    OK, I’m almost done with a new post, but I keep getting distracted by the thunder snow. No kidding, it is snowing like mad and thunder is rumbling every few minutes. It’s impressive.

  136. Maeve

    @JS – I’m all horrified that there are no more seasons of Sherlock to watch. Then older daughter informs me that we may have to wait YEARS (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) for another season. Why get me started already?

    I never got into Game of Thrones, but agree that Rome was great; so was The Tudors; I don’t have a remote-that-rules-them-all, so our biggest challenge is locating ALL OF THEM. At least twice a week one goes missing (and panic descends Chez Maeve).

  137. Farm Boy

    Well Ton, I do know some women who probably have more testosterone than some men. I wouldn’t want to married to any of them though.

  138. Farm Boy

    Look at Japan, Germany and other depopulating countries. You know why this is happening? Everything is oriented to serve the feminine imperative.

    Ostensibly, the feminine imperative is about women being resources and advantages in order to better serve their present and future children. But when they get what they are seeking, there are no children.

  139. Carlotta

    @Freebird

    You new around here ?
    I couldn’t be more far from a public school teacher and as you kind of admit….you quite simply don’t know your pagan religions or history. Bet your still in your “America was Christian and we can take it back!” phase. Start by researching the god America was named after and get back to me about how you KNOW that they put a silver cross on baals penis.

    As for me, I am a longtime happily married Yahweh serving wife and mother who homeschools several children and has a podcast encouraging other women to do the same.

    Check yo self before you wreck yourself.

    @Ton
    Ridiculous comment. All women do not hate men. I would and have laid down my life for ones I love. One bad apple Ton. Not all apples are bad. Unless you also agree all sex is rape?

    Plus I see the guys were panicking without the chicks…..

  140. nightskyradio

    CP – We play Cyberpunk 2013 at this table, junior. Now pick up your dice and toddle off. (He said with love)

    I have the original R. Talsorian set, just called Cyberpunk, that a friend gave me in 2002. Back in the early 90s, we played a mix of original and 2020. Pizza, loud music, clove cigarettes, and a firefight in the alleys while dodging operatives of (or working for) the Arasaka Corporation… those were the days.

    Cyberpunk 2013 is so last year.

  141. Jim

    “….how you KNOW that they put a silver cross on baals penis.”

    At least they knew where to stick it. ;)

    “Plus I see the guys were panicking without the chicks…..”

    “The real concern was about sammiches”

    Yup. Just pointing out a segment of a wife’s duty.

  142. Carlotta

    Ok Ton.
    Define hate.
    Define women.
    Define men.
    Present evidence.

    Thanks.

    @Farmboy
    Right……

    @Jim

    I see we are on different sides. Atheist much?

  143. Jim

    @Carlotta

    It was a joke. You know, because feminist fools tend to see phallic symbols everywhere and then deem it oppression and other such nonsense. They’re a very strange group of people. Too much LSD probably, given that they hallucinate so much.

  144. Jim

    Eh, come on Ton, not EVERY woman hates men. These says many do but not all. :P

    I sometimes think though that many of them are just trying to push men until we put them in their place. The problem is that while women usually respect men with backbone the society doesn’t let men do that. We go to jail if we do. Kind of a catch-22 isn’t it?

    We just need to break out the whip (literally or metaphorically. Maybe both depending on how insane the woman is) like those Russian guys did to Pussy Riot recently.

  145. Cautiously Pessimistic

    @nsr- Cyberpunk 2013 is so last year.

    Oh no you di’in. (though I admit that joke is pretty hysterical. Where’re our flying cars, dammit?).

    Cyberpunk 2013 is the original Cyberpunk. Once 2020 came out, what had been called Cyberpunk was called 2013 to distinguish it from the second edition poseurs.

    Try to geek-fu me, and you’ll need a Trauma Team to collect your sorry carcass.

    (Nope, no testosterone in RPGs. No sir.)

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